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It’s so funny to see Alex Jones present himself as above left-right politics despite constantly spewing far right BS.
ah, americans. you guys love your team sport don’t ya
But hell, I’ll bite. I’ve ranted about this before, and I know my views don’t fully apply to Americans, but I truly believe that using left/right as labels is playing into the elite’s hands. You ask a left-person or a right-person their opinions on the rich, and both of them will come to the same conclusion, but as soon as you mention either side, then they start fighting. Thus, the picture is ignored; it’s about teams now, it’s about cancelling and gotchas, no more about the imbalance of social power.
Honestly, how can anyone be so binary with their political beliefs in an age where we have functional neural networks, global interconnectivity and instant access to whatever we desire? Our water is so fucking clean that we shit in it. We have so much food that there’s obesity in ourselves and in our pets. When a disaster happens, when the walls break down, are you really going to be so petty and pathetic as to worry about left or right? I don’t reckon.
I refuse to use left/right since I don’t even think it applies in my country. Allow me to explain. In Australia’s system, we have two separate houses of Parliament, preferential voting, state, federal, and local elections, councils, a monarchy, and territories. Preferential voting ensures your vote is never wasted and goes exactly where you want it.
Where do I fit if I vote for Fusion first, Animal Justice second, Greens Third, Labor fourth, and Liberals fifth for Representatives? While also voting for UAP, One Nation, or Liberal for Senate? What if I throw independents into the mix? Shit, the way parliaments are designed is that parties have to come together to get bills and acts through.
Can you legitimately blanket all that with just one side? Not in Australia, at least. Only advice I have for Americans is to leave, find a better country, they’ll be more than willing to take you in and as an American, you can certainly afford to leave to almost every other country.
#BothSiders often end up repeating Republican talking points
Of course the both sides argument comes from the right because America has no left
Found one!
Thanks for saving me the effort of pointing this out.
“Yeah, I don’t agree with his racism, but I can’t support post-partum abortions by feeding babies to coyotes so we can afford to pay for 25 billion illegals to stay in the Ritz Carlton like the Democrats do. #BothSides”
Often? I’ve never seen it NOT that way, and I’m a huge fan of nuance. With them, I just can’t see any justification for that argument.
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What a horrible meme… you’re only escalating the divisiveness of current politics. Surely, people shouldn’t be defined by political inclinations.
Actual centrists recognize how extreme the right has gotten, and vote accordingly. Bothsiders are the brainless, egotistical tools of the far right, going along with normalizing fascism because they don’t want to think too hard.
It’s because they identify 100% with the party but don’t want the negative flack it rightfully deserves, so they pretend to be centrist.
It used to be libertarians that did this shit. Too afraid to commit to the bit, but still want to appear as if they’re the good guys.
yeah… Here in Australia, they were also the only political party around who never removed their shitty signage after the election (and they legally have to). I’m surprised the Election council didn’t do it for them and send them the bill. I think the problem with those wankers is that they constantly try to get away with dodgy actions, and they end up being successful so many times, that they just keep doing it
This has actually been studied
Anti-Authoritarians and Moderates view it as best to be seen as Anti-Authoritarians, Authoritarians view it best to be seen as Moderates.
They literally view opportunistic claiming of the center not just as a political tool but as a social survival tactic to not be ostracized for their bullshit.
Drag would like to have a link to a study so drag can cite it in the future
What makes you qualified to speak for the entire drag community?
Drag is not a community, drag is a dragon rider.
“Rider”* whether thon ride dragons or “rider” is thon’s nickname is unclear.
Drag rides dragons and also “rides” dragons
Bad dragon. Be clear.
Go back to Pern where you came from
Never thought I’d see anti-immigrant sentiment on here
Exactly this. Many of them are concerned about how it might affect their work too and their families if they found out they’re were horrible racist people.
It’s part of the reason why the KKK wore clokes
“I’m no Trump supporter, but…” is the new “I’m no racist, but…”.
Anyone claiming to be undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024 is full of shit.
When the whole world is USA!
The whole world is inundated with news about the election, looking on in horror at the fact that Trump, in spite of everything has a 50/50 shot at the presidency. The fact that he remains viable is one of the worst enditements possible on the US government and people.
Yeah - we see you guys, and we’ve decided.
Worst indictments
I dunno. English…
Oof - yep - I was way off on that one - thanks.
I’ll leave that as-is though.
MTG would have called it an indication.
But as a northern neighbor to this clown party, I cannot agree more.
Stop fucking around, the USA! You’re supposed to model this shit for everyone! You want some other countries’ movies to get more popular than yours?!
You mean other people outside the US can’t educate themselves, if they care to, about trump?
No its fine! But the whole world has left and right in their political spectrum, yet every comment in here is about USA (and one(?) about France)
Well, yes…this instance and community are full of Americans, so that’s the viewpoint the comments will revolve around.
Please do offer your country’s difficulties with right wing politics instead of a sarcastic comment. The more we all know of nationalist, populist, and theocratic fascists trying to make inroads around the world the better.
I’m undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024, I can’t tell if they’re brutally evil or evilly brutal.
I’m a centrist. I say they’re brutally evil AND evilly brutal, and I would even add the hot-take as an ENLIGHTENED centrist that they’re probably also stupid.
same, but i am go between “he can’t be that stupid, he must know he is lying” and “oh, he is that stupid, he might believe the nonsense he says”
I’ve had a guy tell me he votes for Trump because he’s trying to take a balanced centrist view of things. But dude, if Trump is the center, wtf are your extremes?
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It’s weird how often people say they “Aren’t for Right or the Left” and “Think BOTH parties are the problem”, but only ever have negative things to say about the Left.
Concern Trolls are not your friends
It betrays a deep level of self-awareness of being on the “bad” side and knowing that if you say your actual values around a large number of normal people you will face criticism and attacks, so it’s shame. Centerism is almost always some level of shame, or at best woefully immature ignorance of actual politics.
It’s weird how people think usa has a left-wing party.
well the richest guy on the planet and the republican party candidate both are trying to portray kamala harris as a communist when she’s possibly slightly to the right of nixon.
I do think the media needs to be broken up, the lack of competition for big media (including social media) has resulted in some level of complacency with unhinged conspiracies.
It’s weird how you made it your personal mission is to correct “other people’s wrong opinions”.
Get over yourself 💁
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The extreme center, no political ideology, only opportunism!
Did anybody ever think once that this dude was left-wing?
Why don’t you tell us more (nvm, you have lmao)
Damn this hits. I’ve worked with a lot of guys who “don’t vote, don’t pay attention” that are defacto conservative in their beliefs.
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Let’s just start with the fact that American political system is super skewed to begin with and no actual left has any power.
Dems are highly pro-capitalist, moderately nationalist and merely call to strike a bit less horrible balance between the interests of people and businesses. This is not left, this is a bit better right.
This fallacy keeps people trapped in an idea that the only possible options are “good” ultra-capitalism and “greedy” ultra-capitalism, which is not true.
People that try to have “both sides heard” totally ignore that there are way more than two angles in this conversation and that Dems are not some sort of a political extreme. Reps, ironically, kinda are.
And Democrats often think they vote for something actually good, when it’s actually just a lesser evil. Keep that in mind, no matter what you decide.
And Democrats often think they vote for something actually good, when it’s actually just a lesser evil. Keep that in mind, no matter what you decide.
well i mean to be clear, not voting for a literal fascist, is a pretty good vote.
This is absolute hogwash. Actual centrists bring up some Republican talking points (at least, the valid ones) when talking to a Democrat, because democrats don’t seem to understand them.
Surprise surprise, Republicans think centrists bring up Democratic talking points.
Centrists get the same bullshit demonization from both parties, because both parties are insanely convinced that getting rid of the dissenter makes the issue go away.
It would have been nice if he issue was just something simple, like a religion. But no, demonization is too convenient - an easy argument for pawns to make. Step on someone else, make yourself feel better. Classic.
Hey! I’m way left of Democrats, so I really don’t understand Republican talking points… Could you give an example of ones you would say are valid? It would do me some good to know they aren’t just out to cause suffering.
The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are:
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that borders do actually matter to the sovereignty of a country and that control over who and what crosses that border is a necessity,
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countries need some kind of balanced budget to prevent hyperinflation and inevitable austerity,
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the constitution should be protected and enforced equally for all amendments unless and until they are further amended or repealed, and
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the Federal government should exist to provide for the defense of the country, protection of interstate and international commerce, and protection of the common good.
I happen to personally think that the best implementation for these points would be:
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an overhaul of immigration policy is needed to increase legal immigration and decrease the time spent in that process to months or at least under 1-2 years with a pathway that allows current illegal immigrants to get in the back of that (actually useful and reasonably short) line,
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countries cannot balance a budget like a household balances a checkbook because it doesn’t work like that and anyone who says otherwise is either economic-illiterate or a con artist,
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First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth amendments especially all need to be equally enforced and double especially on the police and the State (looking at you Civil Asset Forfiture, and your partner in crime Cash Bail), and
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all of these functions would be best served with Universal Healthcare, Universal Education to an undergrad (Associates) level, Universal Basic Income replacing the existing welfare framework with no hoops or requirements or means testing, some form of Georgist land tax integration to help ensure the wealthy at least start to pay their fair share, and a heavy dose of monopoly busting and anti-trust enforcement to prevent billionaires from becoming a thing in the first place and prevent regulatory capture by capital at the very least.
Also religion has no business in government and fuck off with race/orientation/religious/etc discrimination. It is all class warfare from the elite and Reagan deregulation caused the death of the economy and the middle class.
This is why I consider myself a centrist, because the Right would have a conniption fit at most of those beliefs. The Left would have the same conniption fit that I also think that current border policies, the existence of sanctuary cities/states providing incentive, and worst of all the companies and people hiring and exploiting illegal labor due to insufficient availability, use, and enforcement of tools like e-verify (AKA the current status quo) is a shit show and the “left” shows too much weakness on this topic, I think the “open borders/a person cannot be illegal” crowd are dangerously misguided utopiasts, I support the personal right to keep and bear arms interpretation of 2A, support (not limited but also limited) Sates rights as useful ways to experiment with policy along with the original intention of the Senate and Electoral College, and think a decent amount of Left/Democrat ideology is unrealistic, counterproductive, or worse.
Huh, you really are an honest to goodness centrist, though a left leaning one, from what you’ve said.
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This is absolute hogwash
Alex Jones literally did exactly this, proclaiming himself above left/right politics while consistently presenting far right views to a largely far right audience.
Sure, there are shills for both parties all over.
Yeah, it’s a terrible mentality.
“If you aren’t completely on my side, you’re on the other side.”
It is possible to be on neither side…
