• hperrin@lemmy.world
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    26 days ago

    Ok, here’s an image I generated with a random seed:

    Here’s the UI showing it as a result:

    Then I reused the exact same input parameters. Here you can see it in the middle of generating the image:

    Then it finished, and you can see it generated the exact same image:

    Here’s the second image, so you can see for yourself compared to the first:

    You can download Flux Dev, the model I used for this image, and input the exact same parameters yourself, and you’ll get the same image.

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      25 days ago

      But you’re using the same seed. Isn’t the default behaviour to use random seed?

      And obviously, you’re using the same model for each of these, while these people would probably have a custom trained model that they use which you have no access to.

      That’s not really proof that you can replicate their art by typing the same sentence like you claimed.

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        25 days ago

        If you didn’t understand that I clearly meant with the same model and seed from the context of talking about it being deterministic, that’s a you problem.

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          25 days ago

          Bro, it’s you who said type the same sentence. Why are you saying the wrong things and then try to change your claims later?

          The problem is that you couldn’t be bothered to try and say the correct thing, and then have the gall to blame other people for your own mistake.

          And in what kind of context does using the same seed even makes sense? Do people determine the seed first before creating their prompt? This is a genuine question, btw. I’ve always thought that people generally use a random seed when generating an image until they find one they like, then use that seed to modify the prompt to fine tune it.

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            25 days ago

            In the context that I’m explaining that the thing is deterministic. Do you disagree? Because that was my point. Diffusion models are deterministic.

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              25 days ago

              That’s as much deterministic as tracing someone’s artwork, really.

              If you have to use a different creation process than how someone would normally create the artwork, whether legitimate or using AI, then it’s not really a criticism of that method in the first place.

              I was seriously thinking you found a way to get similar enough results to another person’s AI output just from knowing the prompt. That would actually prove that AI artwork require zero effort to reproduce.

              Edit: To expand on that 1st prargrpah, yes, AI is deterministic as much as a drawing tablet and app is deterministic, that is if you copy exactly what another person does using the tool, it will produce the same result.