This happened in Roanoke, which is left leaning. Republicans are going all out to cheat in this election.
Edit: Here is the law on tampering with ballots in Virginia. Class 5 felony
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter10/section24.2-1009/
This brought up a concern of mine that I had last year. I tried looking but couldn’t find it. Is there a way to verify that my vote was counted and specifically counted for whom I voted?
I don’t believe there is, and if there was, it could be used for some really nefarious purposes!
in my state (OR) you can sign up for an email that says when your ballot was counted but not who you voted for.
Yeah there is a good reason for that to be secret: it prevents buying votes because you can’t prove who you votes for, if someone offers you money to vote a certain way you can always take the money and vote the other way, no way to prove how you voted.
TBH idgaf who knows my vote history, I want the piece of mind that it was counted correctly.
I totally hear that, but at the same time it’s really important for a functioning democracy that the vote be secret. For one, it empowers a suppressed class to vote against their suppressor’s interests without fear of retaliation.
There is already a record of who voted for what, all of your fears could be taking place as things are now. Making it accessible to the person, even with hoops to jump through, would only be an improvement.
No, there’s not. There’s a record of who voted. There is a record of your political party in most states. There is no record of who you actually voted for.
The majority of votes in the USA are electronically counted, and a ballot itself is a record of a vote as well. What there isn’t is a searchable index of who voted for what, and I apologize for my unclear language.
But the likelihood of oppression based on availability of those vote records is still very much there even if the voter themself doesn’t have access.
Back to school. Vote-buying breaks democracy. Not having proof of who you voted for makes vote-buying pointless. Yes, your vote could be miscounted. This is generally less of a problem than the general population being able to sell their votes and can be mitigated in a variety of ways which don’t tie votes to voters.
Now THAT is some privilege lol
Plenty of places in the US where you risk personal danger if people know how you voted.
Then those individuals shouldn’t share how they voted, but I want the freedom to see how my vote was counted.
And they have the right to conceal their vote, as they should, but why should I not have the right to reveal mine even to myself, Necromancer?
That’s not how this started, moving the goalposts is pretty cheap. I was literally linking to an issue happening in this vary election that illustrates why secret ballots are so important. A position which, if you recall, you began by stating was invalid because you misunderstand (or, now more clearly, willfully misrepresent) how democracy in the US works, and your proposed “solution” only helps illustrate the easy ways vote buying and manipulation would be introduced without secret ballots. I’ll block you, for obvious reasons. Good luck
There is already a record of who voted for what, all of your fears could be taking place as things are now. Making it accessible to the person, even with hoops to jump through, would only be an improvement.
Edit: additional context for added relevance
Good luck loser
I don’t know if all states have it, but Virginia does have vote history on their voter registration page. It doesn’t show what your vote was, but does show that it was received and counted.
My county in Florida allows you to show your vote was counted. Damned if I don’t check every single time.
Florida here. How is it done?
If you mailed in a ballot then there should be a way to confirm it was received, but there should NOT be a way to see who you voted for. Just like they can confirm that you voted in person, but again can not tell who you voted for when you showed up to vote.
Typically when you vote by mail you receive a ballot plus two envelopes. You fill out the ballot and put it in the inner envelope that should contain no markings as to whose ballot it belongs to. This is put inside the second envelope that should have your contact information (my state uses a barcode for this) and that you have to sign.
When the city/town clerk receives the ballot they look up your voter registration & confirm the signature on file matches the signature on the envelope. They then check off in their records that you voted by mail on that day. They take the inner envelope out of the outer envelope and add it to the other pile of envelopes they’ve received. At some later point they open those envelopes and count the ballots, but have no way of associating a given ballot back with the person who mailed it in.
If you then try to go vote in person on Election Day (or somebody tries to impersonate you) then their records will show you already voted and you won’t be allowed to vote again.
Maryland sent me an email last time that my vote had been counted, but not for who.
My county in Washington state has a website where you can check the status. I even get text or email notifications for the status. “We received your ballot”, “the signature was verified”, “your vote has been counted”.
There was even a problem with my signature once and all I had to do was log in and verify it and it was counted.
Honestly that is scary to see. People are going to lose the chance to influence. A true potential for a stolen election.
A lot of the virginia ballots were mailed out with the return envelopes already sealed up. I called the election office and they said to cut them open and just seal them back with tape 🤣
This can happen if the envelopes get damp, but they should send you a replacement. Otherwise, someone could swap out your ballot and then just tape it closed.
Which is exactly why I called my local election office, and I even mentioned it might have been because of the rain we were having, but I was told no, it wasnt the damp that caused it because they had confirmed with the factory that sent the ballots out that some had been sent out like that. They then told me to tape it and when I was hesitant because I had the same thought as you they told me they had checked several times with the registrar that taping them up was what to do. They said it was a known issue so it would be accepted.
…what…
How can an election office accept envelopes that have been tampered with? Call them back and record the answer, then call local news, blast them on every social media you have, put a crazy persons handwritten sign in your window about it, whatever it takes. The person who said they would accept envelopes that had been cut and taped just admitted they will accept votes that may have been tampered with…
If the election results aren’t to their liking, these will be easy votes to start kicking out. And then the votes that are doubled through provisional voting, i.e., voting in person as well as mail-in in order to be sure your vote was counted.
It won’t matter if they’re counted correctly in the end. The point will be to immediately kill off democratic votes, create as much chaos as possible, declare victory, and when the dust settles, the republican, right-wing national network of fast-response staff, politicians, lawyers, and friendly judges that they’ve been preparing for four years while democrats did basically nothing will have effectively taken the election by force. SCOTUS already made a decision that will allow them to effectively decide this election. So the right-wing ideologues already have local, regional, state, and national plans that extend all the way to the highest court in the land.
And the Democrats have “but that’s not fair.”
holy shit they are going to steal your election
This and the original Op image are why I refuse to do absentee/mail in voting.
Theres just so many ways it can be fucked with, and potentially handwaved away. Especially at an institutional level in the less reputable coughconservativecough states.
Mail in ballot used to be fine, and safe, and secure… but 8 years of fucking domestic political terrorism/usurpation/insurrection/etc have kicked that out the door, down the stairs, into the street and infront of the bus.
I don’t care what I have to do, what sacrifices I have to make, and what I have to endure.
I’m voting in person this election, cause its too important not to.
and everyone else should too.
Cause in person voting is the only way to minimize the fuckery they can pull.
nah my state rules and doesn’t have this shit going on. remember to check that your ballot is received and recorded after you vote either way
I mean sure, I pretty much agree with you, but…
There were so many fucking trumpers hanging out at the parking lot of my voting site last time, I don’t want to be (or for my family to) around that shit.
IT was like that in 2016 for me.
I shouldered my way through anyway. They are stupid, but they aint complete fucking morons. They know starting shit at an election venue is a good ticket to federal pound-them-in-the-ass prison.
A lot of states have places for early in-person voting. You might have to drive a bit of a distance, but it allows for in-person voting in a less chaotic environment.
You might have to drive a bit of a distance, but it allows for in-person voting in a less chaotic environment.
And thus we see how voter intimidation at polling places on election day is still effective even with early voting, since it skews towards people with cars/the means to get to the early-voting locations.
Another way is to discourage people from early voting and then lose some percentage who end up not voting on election day either.
You’re not wrong. I’ll be voting in person for this reason. But if you’re not 100% sure you’ll make it on election day, vote early. Preferably do it in person.
Some votes will likely count more than others.
Yep. Increase the need for in-person voting, decrease the amount of voting locations, have armed republican “volunteers” patrolling places, and then see how many people are willing to wait hours with armed right-wing militants eyeballing whether your glasses make you a “libtard.”
I have no statistical evidence to back this up, but my gut feeling is that the aggregate of all the voting fuckery, election board fuckery, voting laws fuckery might end up be worth as much as 3-5% in battleground states. There’s no statistical model that accounts for the illegal/quasi-legal voter suppression and disenfranchisement efforts.
All polls assume that everyone that can vote and intends to vote will get to vote and that their vote will be counted and that the counted votes will be accurately reported. That’s a serious blind spot in election polling. And since the Republicans have been screaming that elections are fraudulent because of democratic/immigrant fantasies for four full years, when legitimate fraud can and does occur, no Democrat will be able to say it loud enough that it matters.
Even during Covid I felt a similar way. My “compromise” has been in person early voting. It’s pretty much always dead when I go in and is very quick. I don’t think I have actually voted on election day in over a decade.
it would be accepted.
Bullshit.
Same thing happened to me in Pennsylvania. Will be watching very carefully on the ballot status emails to make sure it’s still accepted.
The question of course being: what will you do or can you do if it’s not accepted? How far will someone go to make their vote count? Many people would likely not bother with it, which could make this a quite succesful way of sabotaging.
You usually have to go to a county office in PA. They may try to contact you if it’s early enough
I’d call your local TV station or newspaper. Let them investigate and publicize it, and if it’s all aboveboard at least it’ll be out in the open.
If worse comes to worst*
And the Republicans will scream about how democrats are using provisional ballots to vote twice. They’ll try to cast doubt on any non-favorable election result, and they’ll have the provisional votes as proof. The fact that it doesn’t mean the vote was counted twice will get lost in the noise, and it’ll be one more BS piece of “evidence” to cast the election as illegitimate.
I’m not saying you’re doing anything wrong, I think you’re doing the right thing. But we’re just in a very fucked up place politically right now.
Let’s hope that mostly low information repube voters fall for this ballot tampering
They aren’t going to tamper with ballots in predominantly conservative areas. They’ll focus their efforts on more left leaning areas.
You might see if you can get this to the Meidas Touch guys too. They could help research and amplify this to the national media
Ughhhhhhhhh. Sorry, but I need to rant.
Those fuckers are so fucking sensationalist. They use the same simple-mined tactics as right-wring propaganda mills. A 20 minute video of theirs could be condensed into 5 without those tactics and actually do far more to push forward their “law based coverage”.
I quickly put them in the “not worth the sensational isn’t propaganda” bucket after watching a handful of their videos
Isn’t the whole point int this case to make a sensation?
They all are like that. They all use heavy clickbait titles to get attention to their videos, and those titles have a tenuous at best relationship with the actual topic, which they all blow way out of proportion and act as if this will finally be the thing that brings down Trump. These are the ones who the right refer to as having “Trum Derangement Syndrome”, as they post daily videos that are almost exclusively about Trump, while peddling products that you can tell they’ve never used or even heard of in their lives by the way they read the script.
Don’t get me wrong. The information they give is at least truthful (exaggerated, but truthful) and the products they’re shilling are actual products and not crypto scams or something, which puts them far ahead of Trump’s supporters. But they’re still basically grifting and trying to ride the Trump train as long and as hard as they can, as I don’t know what half of them are going to do once Trump is actually out of the public eye.
It’s almost as if Republicans can’t win the popular vote and have to cheat or something (:
Just to be real, they really don’t care about the popular vote. They care about the electoral vote. And even that isn’t totally true. They care about the electoral victory. They long ago abandoned democracy; they don’t care about having democratically granted power. They just want the power.
A little felony by blacking out a mail-in ballot is literally the least they’re ready, willing, and able to do to win.
and armed, volunteer “ballot watchers”
I’ll be there on election day. Take that as you will.
That just works against your own interests. The point is people patrolling around glaring at people is voter intimidation. You think people will recognize “oh, that guy is on our side”?
Even if that was the case, do you think knowing there are TWO groups that hate each other prowling around a voting location is less intimidating?
We get it, you have a gun. You’re not helping.
To be fair, if they’re Black, or have rainbow hair, and are glaring at the old white dudes wearing red, it would make me feel safer.
Yes, so much better to have covering fire when going into a church to vote.
and armed, volunteer “ballot watchers” I’ll be there on election day. Take that as you will.
Oh shit everybody, @[email protected] is gonna be there! We can all collectively sigh in relief now!
There’s a neat post I came across some time ago showing how few votes can still win the electoral college.
Turns out, though unlikely, it is possible to win the election with less than 25% of votes through the magic of the electoral college and disproportionate representation.
OP I am an absentee voter in Blacksburg just next door. Shine a light on the blacked out part. I am 99% sure this is legit, they just crossed out the witness requirement. I can see the word witness under the sharpie in your picture. Virgina doesnt have to do that witness thing anymore. We did at the last general election, so I am guessing they just reused the same envelopes. You should call and ask your elections office before alerting the news. They are hardworking folks whose jobs are already 100 times harder then they used to be. Stirring up reports of election fraud where it isn’t happening makes us just as bad as them.
Agreed. Just commented with a reference to the recommendations for blacking it out.
Thank you for the info! My friend called and you are correct. I edited the post to reflect this information!
Excellent point. I alerted my friend to your post. I don’t have the envelope, they just sent me the picture. They go to bed early but I’ll update you in the morning.
Yeah, clear cut election fraud.
Anyone want to take bets on it being a Republican behind this?
They’re the ones always claiming there’s fraud. They must know something we don’t.
Do you know who the fraudster is
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This is a felony, and can likely be traced back to the election helper who did it.
Report it!My friend is reporting it.
I don’t usually recommend this but also post on Reddit and X. This needs to get out there.
I don’t have an account on either. I use to have one on Reddit, but you know how that went over the past 16 months. Never had an account on twitter. Feel free to post this yourself if you have an account on either.
Report it to the news stations as well.
I am going to be voting in person. Hopefully Harris will win and when the Trumpers try to riot again the national guard is harsh.
Is this the year old thing where the witness signature requirements was removed, but it was still included in the instructions?
Curious about what was crossed out. We could probably tell with a better photo.
Could be old instructions for witness signatures vs anything malicious. Be sure this is a real issue first. Last time they sent out conflicting instructions which was worse. But yes, report it to be safe.
Joan Porte, vice president of the Virginia League of Women Voters and an Arlington resident, said she was furious when she saw the error on the envelope, which could have been solved, she said, by crossing it out with a marker.
Thanks for this information. I alerted my friend. I’ll update the post if you are correct.
Thank you for the info! My friend called and you are correct. I edited the post to reflect this information!
Bless Lemmy for being able to edit a post.
Always vote in person if you can
