• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
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    Are the police less awful and corrupt in other countries? I mean there is a need for traffic enforcement but I question whether the police are the right tool for the job, at least in their current form.

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      In today’s world I believe the only way you get away from police doing the traffic enforcement, is if you let a private company do it, with whatever means they feel like (AI cameras, mercenary “officers”, etc. ) And you can bet it’ll be 100% profit driven.

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        That’s because in our society we cede all authority to either privately owned or state organizations, so that’s all we can imagine. I’d prefer public safety to be more community-led. We don’t have a lot of existing models for this yet but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

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      I feel safer with a German police officer than with an American one. This being said I can’t imagine an alternative tool. Anyone given the tools needed to stop and punish dangerous drivers would just be police by another name.

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        I think the organizational structure, available tools, and level of oversight can make a hugely different enforcement system. Frankly I’d like to see traffic enforcement that is way more automated. I know people hate traffic cameras but they’re usually more fair than the police and way less likely to murder you.

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          I think automation is an acceptable path. But I think we still would need some organization with legal authority. We can’t just fine people later for drunk driving. They need to be stoped asap even against their will. Same goes for people grossly speeding or even elderly people who can’t drive safely even though they think they can. Given your other posts this organization can be community lead. This being said any community lead organization with such a legal mandate would just be police under another name.

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          Here in Germany we mostly use traffic cameras to enforce speeding laws. Unless you are driving way too fast you will most likely not get pulled over by police, instead some police officers set up mobile (and well hidden) traffic cameras in problematic areas which will fine anyone going too fast.

          We do still have some traffic police, but we dont have as many as in the US. They will pull you over if they think you are under the influence or because your car has illegal modifications or is broken in an unsafe way.

          I cannot believe that people in the US can just modify their vehicle or let its condition deteiorate so much that it is unsafe and its completely legal.

          That is not the case here in Germany and it does probably help make it safer, even if some people, who would do a safe modification, cannot do it because its too hard to get it certified.

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      I feel safe being stopped by German police.

      I feel uneasy being stopped by American police.

      I feel my sphincter contract like never before being stopped by Brazilian police.