This platform not gonna move vote as much as you like to believe,
Man, none of us are gonna move serious numbers of votes. Yet elections are decided by millions of people who are engaging in civic behavior in the election and the lead-up to the election, every instance being inconsequential individually, but in aggregate deciding the future of nations.
“It’s too small, it doesn’t matter” is one of the ways the GOP pushes out consistent wins while the Dems flounder despite nearly every policy, some of moderate Dems and some of progressive Dems, being overwhelmingly popular in this fucking country. The GOP lacks popular policy positions, and yet because they continuously and consistently push their electoral viewpoints at EVERY turn, not just when it’s ‘big’, they get electorally rewarded. They treat civic duty like a religious duty, and yet I have to limp my ass and beg people door to door just to fucking vote against fascism.
… alright, I’ve never begged. My anxiety is bad enough that I keep things polite. But the point stands.
I know the anxiety is high in US, and while the rhetoric works in real life, i doubt it did anything in lemmy, a platform of 50k user that mostly made up their mind, to the point they will call any dissenting voice as people against them. While it makes sense because of how notorious the reds are, from the outside it really looks pretty much like idolising a party not dissimilar to the reds. I mean, you guys can’t just accusing republican for idolising trump while at the same time idolising harris, that’s just hypocrisy.
Disclaimer, i’m not from the US so i can’t do much, but i did went through the same thing for the past two elections of my country, to the point the party i voted for is now working together with the one we worked hard to defeat two elections ago. Try give Malaysia election 2018/2022 a read, it’s insane.
Very few people idolize Harris. Hell, Harris is not particularly popular even within the Democratic Party. The issue is that banging the drum on all the reasons not to vote for her two weeks before it’s decided whether we’re going under a literal fascist regime, or getting another four years of time to unfuck as much as we can, is a strategically stupid decision from any actor who doesn’t want fascism. Yes, Harris is a moderate who supports all the long-standing fuckwaddery of US foreign and domestic policy. No, that’s not particularly relevant ten metaphorical minutes before an election with a candidate who supports all the long-standing fuckwaddery of US foreign and domestic policy getting much worse as a core ideological aim.
The idolization makes it ridiculous, but the essential difference between the two parties isn’t that “GOP idolizes its candidate while We, The Clear-Sighted, do not!”, the essential difference is “The GOP has openly announced that it’s going for a fascist regime, and the Dems don’t want that.” If someone were insane enough to start plastering Harris’s head on Rambo Trump style, man, it’d be worthy of mockery, but even if it was widespread, it wouldn’t change that one party is essential to support in this election over the other. We want another four years of not-fascism so we can reinforce and build new structures against fascism. Maybe even a better world, though for the next few weeks I’m focused on not getting sent to a concentration camp.
If you think that a platform of 50k isn’t enough to be worth talking to, I dread to consider what you think of attending town halls.
If you think that a platform of 50k isn’t enough to be worth talking to, I dread to consider what you think of attending town halls.
Look, i know it’s a desperate time now, but to take the 50k in lemmy as undecided rather than an echo chamber is another level of desperate. Like, come on man.
You think the population in a town hall is mostly undecided? I assure you, it’s not.
We do what we do in the hopes that one or two votes might come out of it. That’s all we can do. And there sure as shit are plenty of people here who are on the fence about voting, or voting Dem.
Are you concerned this type of rhetoric could also lose kamala votes? Its very condescending type talk to tell someone they should care more about potential problems in this country vs an actual genocide in their home lands.
Say what you will but the actual lived experience for some has ended up better under trump than the current democrat administration, and Kamala is part of that.
I don’t think those are the type of people you can just bully into your position, I’d assume the opposite rather.
I can never tell if you people are in bad faith or just legitimately so detached from a realistic view of politics
Leveraging more empathy trying to understand others viewpoints better is seldom completely wasted effort when dealing with non-republicans. But I admit I dont even try with republicans anymore.
I have to limp my ass and beg people door to door just to fucking vote against fascism.
Rather than beg your party to adopt the policies all the data shows would actually win then this election?
What on earth makes you think the best ‘evelenth hour’ strategy is to try and persuade thousands of people to vote, but that it’s apparently “too late” to persuade a single executive to change one policy?
What you are talking about can both be true, that our individual actions matter as part of a whole, but by themselves have very little power. Its sort of like a big ocean of water, very powerful when moving together. Take a bucket of that water and it loses a lot of its overall power but the individuals drops are the same as they’ve always been, and they work together with other drops just the same.
The drops aren’t aware of the bucket size or much past its immediate neighbors, but together with the other drops they can do more than a single drop could.
If we lose some drops, thats not a big deal, they didnt contribute much individually, but if we lose more drops than we take in, that is a big deal.
In this way everyone’s actions are both important and insignificant.
Man, none of us are gonna move serious numbers of votes. Yet elections are decided by millions of people who are engaging in civic behavior in the election and the lead-up to the election, every instance being inconsequential individually, but in aggregate deciding the future of nations.
“It’s too small, it doesn’t matter” is one of the ways the GOP pushes out consistent wins while the Dems flounder despite nearly every policy, some of moderate Dems and some of progressive Dems, being overwhelmingly popular in this fucking country. The GOP lacks popular policy positions, and yet because they continuously and consistently push their electoral viewpoints at EVERY turn, not just when it’s ‘big’, they get electorally rewarded. They treat civic duty like a religious duty, and yet I have to limp my ass and beg people door to door just to fucking vote against fascism.
… alright, I’ve never begged. My anxiety is bad enough that I keep things polite. But the point stands.
I know the anxiety is high in US, and while the rhetoric works in real life, i doubt it did anything in lemmy, a platform of 50k user that mostly made up their mind, to the point they will call any dissenting voice as people against them. While it makes sense because of how notorious the reds are, from the outside it really looks pretty much like idolising a party not dissimilar to the reds. I mean, you guys can’t just accusing republican for idolising trump while at the same time idolising harris, that’s just hypocrisy.
Disclaimer, i’m not from the US so i can’t do much, but i did went through the same thing for the past two elections of my country, to the point the party i voted for is now working together with the one we worked hard to defeat two elections ago. Try give Malaysia election 2018/2022 a read, it’s insane.
Very few people idolize Harris. Hell, Harris is not particularly popular even within the Democratic Party. The issue is that banging the drum on all the reasons not to vote for her two weeks before it’s decided whether we’re going under a literal fascist regime, or getting another four years of time to unfuck as much as we can, is a strategically stupid decision from any actor who doesn’t want fascism. Yes, Harris is a moderate who supports all the long-standing fuckwaddery of US foreign and domestic policy. No, that’s not particularly relevant ten metaphorical minutes before an election with a candidate who supports all the long-standing fuckwaddery of US foreign and domestic policy getting much worse as a core ideological aim.
The idolization makes it ridiculous, but the essential difference between the two parties isn’t that “GOP idolizes its candidate while We, The Clear-Sighted, do not!”, the essential difference is “The GOP has openly announced that it’s going for a fascist regime, and the Dems don’t want that.” If someone were insane enough to start plastering Harris’s head on Rambo Trump style, man, it’d be worthy of mockery, but even if it was widespread, it wouldn’t change that one party is essential to support in this election over the other. We want another four years of not-fascism so we can reinforce and build new structures against fascism. Maybe even a better world, though for the next few weeks I’m focused on not getting sent to a concentration camp.
If you think that a platform of 50k isn’t enough to be worth talking to, I dread to consider what you think of attending town halls.
Look, i know it’s a desperate time now, but to take the 50k in lemmy as undecided rather than an echo chamber is another level of desperate. Like, come on man.
You think the population in a town hall is mostly undecided? I assure you, it’s not.
We do what we do in the hopes that one or two votes might come out of it. That’s all we can do. And there sure as shit are plenty of people here who are on the fence about voting, or voting Dem.
Are you concerned this type of rhetoric could also lose kamala votes? Its very condescending type talk to tell someone they should care more about potential problems in this country vs an actual genocide in their home lands.
Say what you will but the actual lived experience for some has ended up better under trump than the current democrat administration, and Kamala is part of that.
I don’t think those are the type of people you can just bully into your position, I’d assume the opposite rather.
I can never tell if you people are in bad faith or just legitimately so detached from a realistic view of politics that that sounds profound to you.
Leveraging more empathy trying to understand others viewpoints better is seldom completely wasted effort when dealing with non-republicans. But I admit I dont even try with republicans anymore.
Rather than beg your party to adopt the policies all the data shows would actually win then this election?
What on earth makes you think the best ‘evelenth hour’ strategy is to try and persuade thousands of people to vote, but that it’s apparently “too late” to persuade a single executive to change one policy?
I can never tell if you people are in bad faith or just legitimately so detached from a realistic view of politics that that sounds profound to you.
Some people are good. Can’t say the same for executives.
That’s a good point. There may a reason in that.
What you are talking about can both be true, that our individual actions matter as part of a whole, but by themselves have very little power. Its sort of like a big ocean of water, very powerful when moving together. Take a bucket of that water and it loses a lot of its overall power but the individuals drops are the same as they’ve always been, and they work together with other drops just the same.
The drops aren’t aware of the bucket size or much past its immediate neighbors, but together with the other drops they can do more than a single drop could.
If we lose some drops, thats not a big deal, they didnt contribute much individually, but if we lose more drops than we take in, that is a big deal.
In this way everyone’s actions are both important and insignificant.