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    Again, this is NOT US Politics.

    Edit To be more clear:

    FTA:

    “Over the past year, Israel has launched attacks on multiple countries and occupied territories: the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran.”

    • Not US Politics.

    “Yet countries and territories aside, Israel has also targeted one specific organization with a series of unprecedented rhetorical and violent attacks.”

    • Not US Politics.

    “Yes, the United Nations. We have all witnessed Israel, effectively, declare war on the UN.”

    • Not US Politics.

    "Consider the record of recent weeks and months:

    Israel’s prime minister, while standing on stage at the UN general assembly, denounced the body as “contemptible”, a “house of darkness” and a “swamp of antisemitic bile”."

    • Not US Politics.

    “Israel’s outgoing ambassador to the UN shredded a copy of the UN charter with a miniature paper shredder while also standing at the podium of the general assembly, and later said the UN headquarters in New York “should be closed and wiped off the face of the Earth”.”

    • Not US Politics.

    “Israel’s foreign minister falsely accused the UN secretary general of not having condemned Iran’s attacks on Israel, declared him “persona non grata in Israel” and announced that he had “banned him from entering the country”.”

    • Not US Politics.

    “The Israeli government actively obstructed a UN-mandated commission of inquiry trying to collect evidence on the 7 October attacks.”

    • Not US Politics.

    “Israel’s parliament is in the process of designating a longstanding UN agency, Unrwa, as a “terrorist organization”.”

    • Not US Politics.

    “The Israeli military has bombed UN schools, warehouses and refugee camps in Gaza for 12 consecutive months, and killed a record 228 UN employees in the process. “By far the highest number of our personnel killed in a single conflict or natural disaster since the creation of the United Nations,” to quote the UN secretary general.”

    • Not US Politics.

    “The Israeli military is now also attacking UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon. According to the UN, “five UN ‘Blue Helmets’ serving with UNIFIL in Lebanon have been injured as Israeli forces inflicted damage on UN positions close to the ‘Blue Line’.””"

    • Not US Politics.

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    FUCK ISRAEL, and FUCK Netanyahu. The descendants of victims of genocide have themselves become perpetrators of genocide.

    America should have stopped giving them funding decades ago.

    Fuck Netanyahu right in the ass with a 2x4

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      Tightrope walkin’

      Do you alienate the growing masses of people backing Palestine or alienate the organized association that has deep tendrils into finance, media, lobbying, and entertainment and is more than ready to take you out?

      You need them all to get in, but even after you’re in, you STILL have to deal with AIPAC.

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        You need them all to get in, but even after you’re in, you STILL have to deal with AIPAC.

        But people keep telling me that I need to wait until after the election to push for change - is that not the case? Really sounds like voters loose all leverage once the election is over, whereas the monied interests keep theirs?

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          If you want the Democratic party to change, you have an opportunity every two years during the primaries.

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            Primaries: “I agree with those progressive policies, but we need to vote for the person most likely to win”

            Campaign: “wait until after they win to protest and push them left”

            Post-election: “They have a mandate to govern and they didn’t campaign on your progressive politics. Wait until next primaries”

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              Primaries: “I agree with those progressive policies, but we need to vote for the person most likely to win”

              That’s what moderates in the party believe. If progressives want to move the party left, they will have to prove moderates wrong. They can only do this by actually winning primaries and then winning in the general.

              For example, when AOC successfully primaried Crowley. Or when Newman successfully primaried Lipinsky. Progressives need more victories like those to become dominant within the party. If they can’t achieve that, then moderates are right.

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                If they can’t achieve that, then moderates are right.

                I’m curious if you’re one of those people who think our electoral system needs to be reformed, and how that opinion squares with this essentialist perspective of electoral outcomes

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                  Sure, it needs to be reformed. But if progressive candidates cannot be viable until the electoral system is reformed, then we should support moderates until that happens.

                  Furthermore, some offices are in less need of systemic reform than others. For example, elections for Senator and governor are straightforward popular vote contests unaffected by gerrymandering. Therefore they are relatively fairer tests of the electability of progressive candidates.

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      Letting the guy who wants to accelerate the genocide win is pretty fucking stupid way of helping Gaza.