You know, immutable enterprise systems.

I installed HeliumOS (Almalinux bootc) on a corebooted Chromebook. Works really well, but audio needs to be configured.

The script needs a recent python which is not available there.

Go and rust can be installed for a user only. Is there something similar for python?

  • ziddey@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    1 month ago

    Perhaps overkill for your use case, but uv is pretty great. I suppose you could just use it to install a local python and then add it to your path.

    • merk
      2·
      1 month ago

      This was going to be my recommendation as well.

    • N0x0n@lemmy.ml
      3·
      1 month ago

      I Gave it a try on macOS a few days ago because brew and python is a dependencie hell and way to much workarounds to make some scripts to work properly when specific versions of packages are needed…

      Miniconda actually made it work fine, without to much hassle. I’m kinda impressed.

  • atempuser23@lemmy.world
    8·
    1 month ago

    You can install the new version of python but leave the system default python as is. You can launch a specific version of python by adding the version number

    So python3.12 vs just python3

  • flashgnash@lemm.ee
    6·
    1 month ago

    If you can install nix (you can install it per user) then you can have whatever you want in a temporary shell with nix-shell -p python

    nix profile install nixpkgs#python if you want it actually installed

    Home manager is also entirely user level I believe and lets you use a declarative config too

    • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
      1·
      1 month ago

      I tried to get install instructions for home-manager and they only had them if you are already on nix?

      I didnt get it

      • flashgnash@lemm.ee
        3·
        1 month ago

        I’d try installing just regular nix (package manager, not operating system) rather than home manager, that’s what I do on by Debian pi

        There’s an install script on their website that does it all for you

      • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        1 month ago

        Careful, there’s three different terms in the mix here:

        NixOS: an entire operating system, you don’t need this.

        nix: the nix package manager. This is what you’ll need to install. look for single user install in the instructions.

        home-manager: a module for nix. It’s aim is to allow declarative configuration of a users’ home configuration (and allow easier per-user install of packages on a global nix install).

        If you want to go down the nix route, which I would recommend if you enjoy tinkering and having fine control over your system, you should start with installing nix. With that, you can already setup a shell that has the newest version of python available.

        Going beyond that, I can link you some more resources, if you want c:

    • Shareni
      1·
      1 month ago

      Home-manager > nix profile

      Also, nix-shell is supposed to be used for debugging, and nix shell/run/develop for using packages without installing them

      • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        1 month ago

        Source on the second statement? My understanding was that nix-shell is legacy for systems without flakes and nix-command enabled, and are being replaced by nix shell/run/develop

          • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            28 days ago

            Interesting, didn’t know the history of the command. But that post confirms my understanding, that nix shell/develop are the new replacements for nix-shell, with nix shell for temporary package installs and nix develop for debugging and developing

            • Shareni
              1·
              28 days ago

              As far as I understand, they’re not replacements in the same way nix profile replaces nix-env. They seem to serve a different purpose, but I don’t know enough to say for certain.

              • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                1·
                28 days ago

                of course they’re not a drop-in replacement, as the cli is getting a major redesign, but as per your source

                nix shell and nix develop are still experimental, so nix-shell is sticking around despite doing the same thing

                it seems like they are made to fulfill the same purpose

      • flashgnash@lemm.ee
        1·
        1 month ago

        Does home manager work standalone without having nix first? I’ve never installed it on non-nixos

        Nix shell is absolutely for running packages without installing them it literally tells you to do that in the terminal hint

        Nix run iirc only works with flakes

            • Shareni
              1·
              28 days ago
              $ nix shell -p python
error: unrecognised flag '-p'
Try 'nix --help' for more information.
              • flashgnash@lemm.ee
                1·
                28 days ago

                Sorry I meant nix-shell -p, I didn’t read your original comment properly apparently

                It’s definitely an option as op wants to run one script from the sounds of it, nix-shell not nix shell is perfect for that

                It’s a bit needlessly confusing that there are two entirely separate commands with the same name and thought you were talking about the original one

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    4·
    1 month ago

    You should be able to have multiple versions with an environment manager, maybe customize your shell profile to alias python to the one you want and the other users can alias to the one they want. I’m sure there’s a better way, but I strongly dislike python every time I try to learn it because Perl was the first language I learned, ruining me for strongly opinionated languages.

  • IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org
    1·
    1 month ago

    Not familiar with HeliumOS specifically, but for a generic atomic distro I would try layering Python temporarily, and then getting rid of it when you’re done.

  • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
    1·
    1 month ago

    Audio configuration sounds like a shell task. Why does it need Python? Is this script in any way an official part of the OS?

    • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
      1·
      1 month ago

      No not a part of the OS and als no idea why they used python, that script is full of crazy functions so may be needed.

      I translated the python 3.12 to 3.9 using ChatGPT lol, as even after installing up-to-date python and placing it in my home $PATH the script threw errors.

      I think it worked, but there is an issue with my atomic system, so I likely need to build an RPM for the changes or use a different command for akmods or package the kernel myself or whatever.

      • mvirts@lemmy.world
        1·
        29 days ago

        🤣 damn I would’ve been looking for a new image to flash at that point.

        I’m glad chatGPT didn’t brick your system.

        Where’d you get the audio setup script?

        • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
          2·
          29 days ago

          I am on a Chromebook and that is a recommended script. There are really just a few functions in python 3.11 that are missing in 3.9

          • mvirts@lemmy.world
            2·
            28 days ago

            This script? https://github.com/WeirdTreeThing/chromebook-linux-audio

            I’m not familiar with bootc based systems but it looks like you could hack up the container spec here: https://codeberg.org/HeliumOS/bootc to build heliumOS with those changes. You would then use something like bootc switch ... to use it.

            (Add a line in the docker file to install newer python and run the audio script. I’m not sure if the script requires changes for this.)

            I could be way off base with this idea, I’m not sure how heliumOS expects users to install packages.

            You may also be able to run the latest python docker image to run the script, but the way this script modifies system files shouldn’t work on an immutable system.

            • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
              2·
              28 days ago

              Haha thanks for the idea!

              That actually makes a lot of sense. The image building simply should be really easy if you can just pull the already made image and just add the file.

              There is an example to install newer python, do something and uninstall it again (which I wouldnt do).

              Thanks, I will try to do that. I think HeliumOS has a future as a ChromeOS alternative