It’s not really that they don’t allow negative feedback. They just prefer that if you do have negative feedback, you comment it instead of just downvoting and moving on.
It just replaces the down votes with comments. I don’t consider argumentative responders to be obnoxious either, so I guess it depends on what kind of environment you want.
Which is the point. Kinda like how freedom of speech lets you say stuff, but you can still be kicked out of a BLM event for saying something racist. Rather, if you have something you don’t like about a post, just say it instead of just down voting, and they’ll judge you based on that comment.
The problem is that it’s publicly shown. Let me pull an old comment:
When you have an upvote/downvote structure, there is an incentive to not go against the grain and just post stuff that’s considered “acceptable” in the local community.
Not everyone treats the votes the same way as well. Some people downvote because they don’t agree with the content, the poster, just because they sound disagreeable or simply because the post is too much to read. You can apply the same myriad of methods to upvotes. Not one motivator is the same.
If we’d ditch showing the numbers and just have them work under the hood, discussions might start looking a lot more genuine.
When you have an upvote/downvote structure, there is an incentive to not go against the grain and just post stuff that’s considered “acceptable” in the local community.
Coward behaviour, post your hot takes, nobody knows who the fuck any of us are it’s not like there’s any actual consequences here. Get banned and spin up a new account on another instance or 9 ffs, the downvotes can’t hurt you
Not everyone treats the votes the same way as well. Some people downvote because they don’t agree with the content, the poster, just because they sound disagreeable or simply because the post is too much to read. You can apply the same myriad of methods to upvotes. Not one motivator is the same.
Great argument to not give them any weight, like by disabling them to protect fragile egos
I knew I would get a reaction like this. You’re attacking the strawman you created that downvotes are hurting people’s feelings and this is why people would want them disabled / hidden. This is not what I said.
People will consciously or subconsciously let these numbers influence them. Whether it’s positive or negative doesn’t matter.
You’re right that they hold no real weight as the range of motivators is extremely diverse, but we will still try to infer value from the patterns and act accordingly.
nobody knows who the fuck any of us are it’s not like there’s any actual consequences here. Get banned and spin up a new account on another instance or 9 ffs, the downvotes can’t hurt you
There’s communities dedicated to geolocating and doxxing over political hot takes so don’t be so confident with that sentiment.
When my instance switched from 0.19.3 - which your lemmy.world is still running on (awaiting 0.19.6 iirc for reasons) - to 0.19.5, downvotes became hidden by default and I had to turn them on specifically.
I turned them on bc for me, more information is better - e.g. I like to distinguish between e.g. “1 upvote” that has not been seen by anyone yet (perhaps due to server sync issues, which just happened to me yesterday on startrek.website - e.g. my post has different numbers of comments and differences in voting numbers depending on which instance you view it from; such issues are still somewhat common on Lemmy, often due to keeping up with Lemmy.world that has 80% of the userbase, though 0.19.6 promises a reprieve iirc), vs. 1 net upvote that is made up of X upvotes + X downvotes.
A lot of my posts tend to be controversial for some reason - e.g. this video that points out bias in news media reporting (towards more “exciting” content that sells rather than actual facts) got only 6 upvotes (above the default +1) and 5 downvotes. So… it’s actual information to know that (a) people actually did see it, rather than it still sitting at just 2, and (b) as many people didn’t like it as liked it, though far more people simply ignored.
We cannot make people like things - even (literally) award-winning content that arguably they “should”. All we can do is be sensitive to people’s reactions. Like the man vs. bear debate - perhaps choosing the bear is “silly”? Then again, is it, really, truly, and anyway it’s not our call to make, only others to choose as they wish. At which point, it’s at least good to know what people’s opinions are?
I don’t like platforms that do not allow negative feedback tbh.
Hexbear has downvoting disabled. Which is in part why they brigade people to express disapproval rather than merely use that.
That can explain twitter
Nothing can explain Twitter :-P
It’s not really that they don’t allow negative feedback. They just prefer that if you do have negative feedback, you comment it instead of just downvoting and moving on.
Doesn’t that system make for incredibly obnoxious comment sections consisting only of people disagreeing and complaining + argumentative responders?
Normal comment sections are often bad enough already
It just replaces the down votes with comments. I don’t consider argumentative responders to be obnoxious either, so I guess it depends on what kind of environment you want.
I’m going to disagree with you there, because they love banning people who disapprove of their posts.
Which is the point. Kinda like how freedom of speech lets you say stuff, but you can still be kicked out of a BLM event for saying something racist. Rather, if you have something you don’t like about a post, just say it instead of just down voting, and they’ll judge you based on that comment.
Doesn’t that system make for incredibly obnoxious comment sections consisting only of people disagreeing and complaining + argumentative responders?
Normal comment sections are often bad enough already
The problem is that it’s publicly shown. Let me pull an old comment:
When you have an upvote/downvote structure, there is an incentive to not go against the grain and just post stuff that’s considered “acceptable” in the local community.
Not everyone treats the votes the same way as well. Some people downvote because they don’t agree with the content, the poster, just because they sound disagreeable or simply because the post is too much to read. You can apply the same myriad of methods to upvotes. Not one motivator is the same.
If we’d ditch showing the numbers and just have them work under the hood, discussions might start looking a lot more genuine.
Coward behaviour, post your hot takes, nobody knows who the fuck any of us are it’s not like there’s any actual consequences here. Get banned and spin up a new account on another instance or 9 ffs, the downvotes can’t hurt you
Great argument to not give them any weight, like by disabling them to protect fragile egos
I knew I would get a reaction like this. You’re attacking the strawman you created that downvotes are hurting people’s feelings and this is why people would want them disabled / hidden. This is not what I said.
People will consciously or subconsciously let these numbers influence them. Whether it’s positive or negative doesn’t matter.
You’re right that they hold no real weight as the range of motivators is extremely diverse, but we will still try to infer value from the patterns and act accordingly.
There’s communities dedicated to geolocating and doxxing over political hot takes so don’t be so confident with that sentiment.
Oh no, a lemming with an even more pathetic life than previously thought might email my boss, who will ignore and delete it!
The internet is full of losers who think they can scare people with basic script kiddie tricks
Well, yes, but the point being the solution to self-censorship isn’t a call to overcorrect and cast caution into the wind.
When my instance switched from 0.19.3 - which your lemmy.world is still running on (awaiting 0.19.6 iirc for reasons) - to 0.19.5, downvotes became hidden by default and I had to turn them on specifically.
I turned them on bc for me, more information is better - e.g. I like to distinguish between e.g. “1 upvote” that has not been seen by anyone yet (perhaps due to server sync issues, which just happened to me yesterday on startrek.website - e.g. my post has different numbers of comments and differences in voting numbers depending on which instance you view it from; such issues are still somewhat common on Lemmy, often due to keeping up with Lemmy.world that has 80% of the userbase, though 0.19.6 promises a reprieve iirc), vs. 1 net upvote that is made up of X upvotes + X downvotes.
A lot of my posts tend to be controversial for some reason - e.g. this video that points out bias in news media reporting (towards more “exciting” content that sells rather than actual facts) got only 6 upvotes (above the default +1) and 5 downvotes. So… it’s actual information to know that (a) people actually did see it, rather than it still sitting at just 2, and (b) as many people didn’t like it as liked it, though far more people simply ignored.
We cannot make people like things - even (literally) award-winning content that arguably they “should”. All we can do is be sensitive to people’s reactions. Like the man vs. bear debate - perhaps choosing the bear is “silly”? Then again, is it, really, truly, and anyway it’s not our call to make, only others to choose as they wish. At which point, it’s at least good to know what people’s opinions are?