cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3752956
Fascism is here.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/22/trump-mass-deportation-immigrant-camps
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I was going to ask what was the exact wording of the question, but it’s a cross post from hexbear so I’ll assume nobody knows or cares…
I will be paying attention to similar claims but i wouldnt be surprised if the survey results arent representing the population well. Anyone know what verification is collected for an online poll like this? Or is it email based and easier to manipulate? Their methodology pasted below for those curious.
"Methodology: The American Values Survey was conducted online Aug. 16-Oct. 4. The poll is based on a representative sample of 5,027 adults (age 18 and older) living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia who are part of Ipsos’ Knowledge Panel®.
The margin of sampling error is +/- 1.82 percentage points at the 95% confidence level, for results based on the entire sample."Illegal immigrants should be first informed, second prevented from entering and third detained if they still decide to enter. They are law breakers by merely being in the United States without entering via port-of-entry or overstaying a visa. It shouldnt be dehumanizing but it must be manned and they shouldnt be allowed to leave. We have 23 million complete randos in this country. It’s neither okay nor sustainable and they should be sent back. Frankly if it is not profitable to be an illegal immigrant then they will stop coming (at least in such numbers). Ultimately the solution is prevention but no one wants to do anything about that be it physical barrier, more border guards or prosecution of American businesses. There is no kumbaya solution to this problem.
It’s a misdemeanor you troglodyte.
It shouldnt be.
“Illegal immigrants” shouldn’t even be a term. They’re not “illegal”, they’re people. We need to knock this shit off and stop dehumanizing each other. Let’s do away with all this “visa” and “law breakers” nonsense, please?
I say we open the borders and just be done with this bullshit already, so we can all move on with our lives and focus on more important things, like ending homelessness.
Are you 14?
Look in the mirror. At least I have empathy.
I have empathy. It’s just not expressed in the way you want it to be. Ultimately this is a humanitarian problem that shouldn’t exist but has snowballed into a massive quagmire that will require significant investment and policy changes. The most empathetic thing for the immigrant is to prevent illegal entry. If they have asylum requests they can come in through a port of entry. If someone comes in illegally there should be consequences since many immigrants did the lawful thing. Empathy is impossible with chaos. You have no idea who these people are or why they are coming. Many of these people are human trafficked and their families are under threat of narcos back home. The citizens of this country also deserve to be protected from unknown millions.
No, they were born on the other side of a river and because of that they are not people.
I can’t go to Ecuador and just live there. I’ll get kicked out.
What’s your point?
They should be sent back but shouldn’t be allowed to leave?
Yeah they should wait to be processed. Currently they are apprehended and then let loose to go live in America while awaiting a court date they will probably not show up for.
Wait like in militarized camps?
I gave you my criteria. Whatever editorializing you want to add to it is your business.
I don’t miss when the quiet part was kept quiet. Now we know without any shadow of a doubt who is a bastard, fascist, traitor. We should keep our eyes very open, and be attentive to everything they say and do (or try to do). Record everything down, and keep that information safe, might be useful I’m the future.
Remember, when it goes out of fashion they’ll delete everything and pretend they never had strong views.
Ask conservatives if they supported Bush in 2004, you’d be shocked he won the election.
That’s right, folks. The election is winnable, but only if you can capture the critical immigrant concentration camp swing vote.
Years ago, well before Trump was a name we heard multiple times every fucking day, George Takei came and spoke at a thing I attended. He told the story of his family being rounded up during WWII because they were Japanese.
He was only 4 or 5 or so, but he still remembers the moment when they came to his house and took him and his family away to one of those camps.
It was an incredibly moving story and he told it with such emotion that it was as if it had happened to him the year before. People in the audience were tearing up. I’ll never forget it.
This is not okay.
Takei talked about it earlier this year on Jesse Tyler Ferguson’s podcast as well
https://player.fm/series/dinners-on-me-with-jesse-tyler-ferguson/george-takei
Oh thanks! I’ll definitely listen on the way to work tomorrow!
what
The
Fuck
Now do the one on welfare recipients. Plenty of Republicans can be trapped into admitting they think anyone on welfare for too long should be in a work camp.
Trapped?
They’ll say we need to do more to get them to work harder. Like make them apply for extra jobs. When you ask what if that doesn’t work you eventually get to work camps.
They don’t see people on welfare as people.
They don’t see anyone they perceive as “lesser” than them as people; and they think they’re better than a whole lotta people.
And they don’t see the problem with that. Which is why they’ll say the quiet part out loud with so little effort.
Reminds me of someone, i can’t seem to remember who
Would it be a certain orange guy?
Black-and-white, mostly, I think.
Yeah, with that funny squiggle
That’s the one.
As long as we are putting people in “militarized camps” can we do that with Republican voters instead of immigrants? I reckon it would have way better effects in society.
Florida: “Insurance costs are skyrocketing!”
Also:
" Let’s cut the labor pool of the people who fix and replace the roofs at a lower cost."Hmmm… I wonder what’s going to happen to roof costs and thus house insurance costs
Okay, so militarized detainment camps for people who enter the border is cool, but taking people who orchestrate a coup, lining them up against a brick wall, and having a firing squad go through them is not.
Hard to follow their logic in regard to protecting our great nation
Putting them into camps would be a human rights violation but it’s not exactly a ridiculous notion to say that illegal aliens should be deported. This whole game of calling them immigrants is bullshit. Immigrants have visas and permanent residency cards, illegal aliens have no permission to be in the US at all. You don’t just wantonly get to walk into a country without permission and then act like you have a right to be there. Sovereign states have a right to decide under their laws who is allowed in their territory.
The best actual solution would be to start charging their home countries for deportation and have a check in, check out system for temporary visas where you check in to get the visa at a US embassy or consulate in your home country and once the visa is expired you have a certain number of days to check out at the same embassy or consulate in your home country or a warrant for your arrest is immediately issued in the US to have you deported, again at your government’s expense.
But why? Why can’t we just register them at the border?
For the same reason that if you walk into a McDonald’s and there’s a line, you can’t just walk directly up to the register and start ordering.
Say goodbye getting your roofs fixed, or your house cleaned, or your lawn mowed, or your house painted, or your
dude they fucking do 90% of all the dirty work in this country, Lets maybe NOT deport what is the backbone of this country and instead get them some rights so corporations can stop being sleezy pieces of shit and underpaying people.
You have this logic reversed. They do the work because they undercut domestic labor by accepting lower wages in cash.
Good luck making this argument on lemmy. 🤡 You are not alone in your thinking though.
In your best actual solution, how do refugees apply for asylum?
They don’t of course because we’ll never admit that Mexico is in a long running civil war with its cartels.
In the first safe country they arrive at like they’re supposed to under international law. If their claim is denied, then they need to accept deportation.
There’s nothing fascist about that. It’s the international convention for how these things are handled. Refugees don’t get to pick and choose where they are given refuge.
This reminds me of the south Americans coming up in one of the caravans who were given free food and shelter by the Mexican government and they complained that they didn’t like the food and threw it away. And those people wanted to keep going up to the US. That’s not fair in any sense and anyone who’s being that picky about where they’re given asylum and what food they’re given using tax money from a host country isn’t a legitimate refugee.
[…] the South Americans coming up in one of the caravans who were given free food and shelter by the Mexican government and they complained that they didn’t like the food and threw it away.
Ok, I’m going to level with you: that sounds like 100% bullshit rage bait - did you hear it on AM radio in flyover country? Do you have any source of this tale at all?
This whole game of calling them immigrants is bullshit. Immigrants have visas and permanent residency cards.
And this is according to who exactly?
Comments like this make it clear that quite a few people don’t actually understand America, how it was founded, or why it has been so successful in the past. Immigration is GOOD. All these “illegals” you want to ship away are GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY.
My issue isn’t with the people it’s with the fact that they break the law to enter this country. If you want them to be able to come over then follow the democratic process and change the law instead of encouraging breaking it.
And since you want to be all patronizing my parents and grandparents immigrated to this country and had to go through a long process to do so. Those processes aren’t just there for no reason. Part of the process involves getting medical exams done to ensure people aren’t bringing over diseases, which I would think any sane person would support, there are also checks to ensure that said person doesn’t have any criminal history and so on. Skip all of that and you have no fucking clue what kinds of people you’re letting in.
And that’s before we consider how big of a slap in the face it is to people who did follow all the rules and are waiting to get in legally while you want to allow those who break the law to get in to stay without any consequences.
You say that these people are good for the country and provide value and I don’t disagree that they can be however we need to have an orderly system for processing people to get work visas, green cards, and citizenship and we do. My issue is that we shouldn’t let those who decide they can just circumvent the system because they don’t like it to get away with it unpunished and frankly neither should the predatory employers that knowingly employ them.
If you really think we need more people to come in and work then call your congressman and get them to raise the quota for temporary work visas so these people can be screened, come in, work legally and with all employment protections offered under US law, pay taxes, and go home.
the fact that they break the law to enter this country
Laws are not just merely because someone made them laws.
If we let people show up, get registered, and live here then all of the people on the waiting list can just … show up.
idk about you, a massive chunk of corporate employees are immigrants and only came here cus they were either suckered into being here and trafficked, or trynna get away from cartels or war. if we deported all of them at once, the nation would quite literally, blow up.
I guess I’m crazy thinking we should just help them to do what they need to do to become citizens. I work with a few undocumented men and they are just doing what I’m doing, working to take care of my family.
We shouldn’t even be enforcing the border this way. You come across, you give a name, a retina photo, fingerprints, and a passport photo. In exchange you receive an ID, a tax ID number, and a booklet containing common laws and workers rights in the US. You are then pointed at the shuttle to the nearest Greyhound Bus Station.
This reduces “illegal entry” to something that only actual criminals need to do. It also solves our employment crisis in construction and agriculture. Our border agents can now focus on stopping actual drugs and criminals instead of normal people who are really scared.
But we can’t do this for… Reasons. I’ve never actually gotten a good reason we couldn’t do this.
This is more of a comment on the efficacy of having several media apparatus boast unified lies without consequences.
The absolute lack of consequences for blatantly lieing, omitting truth, falsifying information, and ignoring reality is why we are in this mess.
This can definitely be applied to both left and right, but the Left master plan seems to be “tolerance for all” and the Right master plan seems to be some hybrid business/monarchy system that obviously is trying to enslave 99% of the population.
This toss up is only possible with half the population living in an alternate reality without realizing it.
Look it makes sense to concentrate them…into camps.
And the more that I think about it, militarized camps sounds ominous.
How about a friendlier name, like concentration camps.
They’re just like summer camp, but you where you learn to concentrate more better.
Ah ha! Nailed it:
The Better Camps for More Concentration
It’s pretty interesting how “concentration camp” used to just mean “a camp where people were grouped together”. It wasn’t necessarily pleasant, but in many cases it was effectively a relatively nice prison. Then, it became a euphemism for an extermination camp. The Nazis pretended they were just grouping people together in a camp, when in reality the aim was to kill everyone there. That euphemism tainted the original meaning, so now when people hear “concentration camp” they think of the Nazi extermination camps.
Technically, Guantanamo Bay probably qualifies as a concentration camp, but I bet they are very careful not to ever use that term.
Arbeit Macht Frei.
We’ve learned nothing. Humanity might be a lost cause.
That’s going to be on the gate of the camps for the homeless and
welfare recipientslazy.Dude, they mostly speak Spanish, not German…But yes, I agree, that would make a great motto for:
The Better Camps for More Concentration
I’m thinking we put a sign up at the gates that reads:
El Trabajo te Hace Libre
Anywho, now we’re cooking with gas.
Thanks for the assist!
