• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    26 days ago

    This is such a fucking privileged liberal take. Whatever, keep believing the lives of the working class are improving until the same working class votes the fascists in, out of sheer desperation. That’ll work…

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      26 days ago

      So you don’t want to talk harder data points, because that might confront you with the fact that politics aren’t spiritual manichaean bullshit, and instead require an analysis of the complex interactions of conflicting power bases. Also, the idea that the working class is voting fascists in ‘out of sheer desperation’ is an insanely city-liberal take, for the record. You may as well have said that after having breakfast at some rural diner and writing an op-ed waxing poetic about the beauty of the simple rural life a month before the election.

      I understand the obsessive materialism of modernism is (rightly) out-of-vogue, but retreating to a positively medieval worldview of political ideology is not the solution.

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        26 days ago

        Alright mate, the everyone’s lives is improving, but people are too stupid and brainwashed to see it. You’re there to scold them the right way. Good luck with that.

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          26 days ago

          Alright mate, the everyone’s lives is improving, but people are too stupid and brainwashed to see it.

          Most people’s lives are materially improving.

          That’s not enough.

          Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

          We are better poised now to see the inequalities and oppression which has long-been-present in society - arguably always been present. We have the tools of communication and education to observe it clearly, and we have the tools to fight it.

          People are stupid and brainwashed, but not in feeling dissatisfied with the current state of affairs. Typically, the stupidity and brainwashing comes in play when asking them what is causing their dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs.

          You’re there to scold them the right way.

          Man, I’m asking that people vote in addition to direct action. It’s not a big ask. I promise.

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              26 days ago

              I invite you to do some study on contemporary American history. The recent past will horrify you, I promise.

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                26 days ago

                Bros that’s crazy. Are you bots or just care about the opinion of randos online a lot?

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                  26 days ago

                  I mean, we’re both regulars on here. Some rando I probably would’ve told to fuck off, but @[email protected] has a good head on his shoulders, and I trust that I can have a legitimate argument with him and that he’s acting in good faith.

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                  25 days ago

                  db0 literally runs one of the major instances, he isn’t a bot. Neither is Pug, who is a regular poster on here.