So I’m on the market for a 4G or 5G mobile hotspot with a build-in VPN client I can carry around in my backpack and connect my cellphone to. I’ve looked far and wide, and really the only manufacturer that seems to make what I want is GL.iNet.

The two battery-powered models they offer that interest me are the Mudi v2 and the Puli: they only do 4G and I wish they did 5G too, but I can live with that. Other than that, they really tick all the boxes for me.

From what I could read, the GL.iNet company also seems very open and very responsive. That’s a plus too.

But I have one giant problem that prevents me from whipping out the credit card: GL.iNet is a Chinese company, and those products are sensitive applications. I know I can flash OpenWRT separately on those devices to ensure they’re not doing stuff behind my back, but I don’t really want to do that because I’d lose the GL.iNet plugins and custom UI. Not to mention, I have no free time for that. I’m looking for a ready-made solution if possible with this one.

Anybody knows if GL.iNet can be trusted?

Also, has anybody ordered from Europe using their EU store? They say they ship direct from Europe but they give no details.

And finally, what do you think of those two mobile VPN routers if you own one. Do they work well? I read somewhere that they can be buggy with certain VPN providers. Do they work in Europe? I assume they do since they sell EU plugs but maybe there are caveats.

  • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
    7·
    16 days ago

    Honestly, for your use case, you should just get a older cell phone. Put lineage OS on it, or calyxos… share your VPN over hotspot, these are the only two ROMs that I’m aware of that allow you to do that. This has the benefit that the VPN traffic looks just like for traffic from the phone, and you don’t have to do any gymnastics to modify the TTL, or the operating system signature of the traffic.

    Boom, travel router. Very portable, has a built-in battery etc etc etc etc etc

    I like GLI-net, they are great, they have great hardware. If you want to buy it I endorse it. If you’re paranoid flash your own firmware. If you use an end-to-end VPN from your device it doesn’t matter what your mobile router uses. However the killer feature here, I think is better supplied by an older phone running the ROMs I mentioned above. It’s just more portable. And you have a backup phone when you’re traveling

    • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
      4·
      16 days ago

      get a older cell phone. Put lineage OS on it, or calyxos… share your VPN over hotspot, these are the only two ROMs that I’m aware of that allow you to do that

      That’s what I thought too. So I tried it on my CalyxOS phone and… it doesn’t work: the hotspot doesn’t route through the VPN. And from what I read, it’s by design.

      I have an old Nokia 4.2 running LineageOS. I might try that one.

      end-to-end VPN

      Incidentally, do you know if the GL.iNet devices can act as a VPN server too?

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        2·
        16 days ago

        I use a calyxos device to share VPN, as of a few months ago.

        Hotspot & Tethering

        • Allow clients to use VPNs

        https://calyxos.org/features/list/#network

        Perhaps your confusing GOS? If not, can you cite the design decision to disallow this feature? I’d be curious to learn about it

        If openwrt can do it, gli-net can do it

        • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
          2·
          16 days ago

          I use a calyxos device to share VPN, as of a few months ago.

          Hotspot & Tethering

          • Allow clients to use VPNs

          Oh wow I totally missed that. It works great! Genius!

          Thank you for that. Suddenly it makes repurposing one of my old cellphones a very simple and viable proposition.

          (and I’m posting this from my laptop connected to the hotspot connected to the Calyx VPN 🙂)

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        11·
        16 days ago

        True, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.

        Sharing VPN from a phone over a hotspot, means all of that traffic looks like it’s coming from the phone. Admittedly if the VPN dies, the routing will bypass it. But the benefit here is immense, if you use visible, you have unlimited data from the phone, but very slow data on tethering. Sharing the VPN from the phone, gives you unlimited data on the hotspot. That’s a pretty good trade-off

        • Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          16 days ago

          No offence but that’s terrible logic.

          There is no point in using a vpn if you don’t care if your data leaks outside the tunnel.

          It would be much better to just use a free VPN, like proton, on all devices instead and then just use the regular hotspot functionality.

          • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
            11·
            15 days ago

            There is no point in using a vpn if you don’t care if your data leaks outside the tunnel.

            Sharing VPN from a phone over a hotspot, means all of that traffic looks like it’s coming from the phone.

            • Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              15 days ago

              Either you didn’t read the github comments or dont understand how vpns work.

              If the VPN over hotspot function leaks data outside the tunnel, then your phones data is going to be revealed in the clear.

              • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
                1·
                15 days ago

                And yet eve with that pitfall there is a valid benefit of using a shared VPN over the hotspot. Specifically making your data look like it’s coming from the phone so it isn’t throttled by the carrier as tethered data. The failure scenario being the data goes slower.

                I recognize the problems you list as valid, and yet there is still a beneficial tradeoff decision to be made.

                No need to insult me, I both read the GitHub and understand how VPNs work.

                • Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  1·
                  15 days ago

                  Sorry my bad, I should of responded in a more professional tone.

                  Yeah I totally agree there is a valid reason to have the function but its all moot if the function doesn’t work correctly.

                  • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
                    1·
                    15 days ago

                    Even if it only works sometimes, there is still a use case with a benefit. I.e. speed throttling on tethering