• SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      268·
      28 days ago

      There’s the pointless blame game, y’all play when your “democracy” fails again and again and again. When the fuck are you stupid Americans gonna figure out what the rest of the world knows from the USA spreading “freedom” and “democracy”? You have no one to blame but yourself, bud.

      • shiftymccool
        98·
        28 days ago

        Yep, completely my fault, I didn’t do anything to stop all the evil in the world. I am truly worthy of contempt

      • shiftymccool
        412·
        28 days ago

        What was the alternative? Blue genocide or red genocide. You fucks make it sound like there was a choice

        • dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world
          83·
          28 days ago

          There is always a choice, you failed to make it. “Oh third parties can’t win” they can. Easily. You just need to vote for them. But Americans like you wanted genocide. You’re just mad you might be a victim sooner than later.

          • shiftymccool
            39·
            28 days ago

            Yep, us collective Americans can just all agree to vote third party… Except the reds won’t, so you just advocated red genocide.

            … They can. Easily

            I don’t know where you’re from but third party candidates have never won in the US because of fptp voting.

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
      112·
      28 days ago

      she didn’t even win the popular vote and there’s aren’t enough leftists to keep up that blue wall.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      1315·
      28 days ago

      I hope you like the result of Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris hard work to win their election! Blue MAGA really did a great job of banning dissent from their echo chamber to keep the gas chamber going. Turns out Genocide is not as popular as they made you believe.

      • shiftymccool
        147·
        28 days ago

        Well, buckle your seatbelt, it’s gonna be a Trumpy ride. You thought the blue pill was bitter, wait until you taste the red one.

            • Linkerbaan@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
              11·
              26 days ago

              Blue MAGA did not put in effort to resist the Democrats running a Nazi candidate. They thought they could get away with it while they clearly didn’t.

  • Codilingus@sh.itjust.works
    4·
    27 days ago

    Isn’t Israel’s dirty little money fingers in damn near every nook and cranny of all of the USA’s federal elections, and by large amounts?

      • Pudutr0n@feddit.cl
        2·
        28 days ago

        Who cares about genocide and actual demonization of immigrants.

        I mean… Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?

        Edit: Also, did you assume I’m a white male? I’m not.

          • Pudutr0n@feddit.cl
            11·
            28 days ago

            The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.

            How’s that been working for you?

            Did I?

            I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.

            You pushed the white male victimhood narrative

            Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications of the dehumanization of white men (even the poor ones). I didn’t imply it was right or wrong. I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.

            You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though. Do you think this mindset helps the problems that our societies and democracies are currently facing?

            Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?

            Food for thought, my friend.

              • Pudutr0n@feddit.cl
                1·
                27 days ago

                The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.

                Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you’ve done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?

                Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?

                Yes, this is definitely what I want to do with my afternoon (this is actually not sarcastic). Did I remove any relevant context? Please elaborate if you care to continue this surreal tangent.

                You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.

                I did.

                white males are not seperate from other groupings of people

                dismissing the struggles of other groups

                Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you’ll find something interesting.

                Oh, you just are a debate bro

                I’m unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.

                this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.

                Erm… So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims? I’m sorry but I disagree.

                my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims

                No. I think you may have a fixation with victimhood and its implications on the value and humanity of people, and I think you’ve pushed this fixation in every point during this exchange, projecting it into my arguments.

                rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.

                This is another example of the former. You seem to be under the impression that victimization is a ranking system.

                Maybe I should clarify. Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.

                The reason behind this is that without that basic extension of empathy, all possibilities of consensus are lost before a conversation even begins. Do I always extend these basic forms of empathy to everyone? No, sometimes I’m a dick, but I do try.

                My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn’t imply i consider them victims. I don’t.)

                What I’m currently trying to convey now is that victimization is not a ranking system, friend. And voting or not voting for someone is not an effective course of action to solve anything you truly care about.

                I’m sorry people you care about are suffering. <3

                Edit: I don’t think I did, and I honestly have no use for information regarding your sex, gender or ethnicity.

  • ben@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1018·
    28 days ago

    The democrats lost because they don’t completely align on some of my favourite issues, it has nothing to do with how people felt about the state of the economy or a lack of focus on certain demographics.

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
      287·
      28 days ago

      Very true; people should not be making decisions on silly inconsequential little things like a genocide.

      • ben@lemmy.zipEnglish
        175·
        28 days ago

        Note the “completely align”, if you care about the conflict in Israel and the Gaza strip then the worst decision you could make is allowing Trump to win and give Netanyahu free reign to do whatever he wants.

        • eldavi@lemmy.ml
          102·
          28 days ago

          Even if every single leftist voted for Kamala, she would still lose; there aren’t enough leftists in this country to restore that blue wall.

          She lost because of the genocide and alienating her base while trying to become a diet republican.

      • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
        91·
        28 days ago

        Will this result make that better?

        No, seriously. If that’s the biggest issue, to the exclusion of all others - does this event make it better, or worse?

        • eldavi@lemmy.ml
          31·
          27 days ago

          harris’ words said that she was trying to help, but her actions say otherwise; so it’s the same result either way.

          • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
            8·
            27 days ago

            Okay great, so the problem was unavoidable, in this decision. It made no difference. Why the fuck should we have that problem, and also outright fascism?

            • eldavi@lemmy.ml
              1·
              27 days ago

              i make no distinction between facist and facist-enablers. nevertheless, lemmy convinced me to find someone to vote swap with and i did in nevada.

              the american people chose facism; so go ask them.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      1010·
      28 days ago

      We need Genocide Joe to commit Genocide to win the election

      Nobody should replace Skeletor Genocide Joe, he is the incumbent that is the bestest candidate

      Actually Kamala needs to run without holding primaries. It is too late now!

      Kamala must promise keep supporting Genocide, if she doesn’t she will lose

      Kamala needs Liz Cheney to win over voters.

      Actually the economy is bad so it does not matter what Democrats would have done