• snooggums@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Dems lose when they try to appease this magical center because it takes the wind out of the sails of of their voting base. I mean getting buddy buddy with Liz Cheney killed my enthusiasm entirely and I only showed up to vote against Republicans instead of wanting to vote.

    Dems win when they promote hope and energize voters to increase voting turnout. She squandered that momentum.

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      29 minutes ago

      Go through history: After successive losses Bill Clinton went center on the economy, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Gore when left with climate change and lost. Obama relied on “hope” and won after Bush’s disastrous wars. Hillary said she’d have a map room to fight climate change and lost. Biden went center, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Kamala tried to copy Obama’s “hope” and energy, but it didn’t work because “it’s the economy, stupid”. *She didn’t run to the left on policy (because she saw that didn’t help Biden after he passed all those left things) but she still relied on the left to show up for their human fucking rights. They couldn’t even do that.

      Every time the Dems lose it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up, and the Dems only win when they go center.

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        6 hours ago

        You’re trying to pretend that Harris ran to the left because you still think it’s the fucking 90s.

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          What are you smoking? I literally just said: Kamala tried to copy Obama’s “hope” and energy, but [it didn’t work because] “it’s the economy, stupid”. She didn’t run to the left on policy (because she saw that didn’t help Biden after he passed all those left things) but she still relied on the left to show up for their human fucking rights and mfing democracy. They couldn’t even do that.

          Oh I remember you, you’re the guy that never makes any sense.

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        9 hours ago

        That’s… interesting… I don’t know about Bill Clinton, not too familiar with that part of American history, but Gore? Gore won but didn’t demand a recount of Florida. Obama relied on leftist policies and wiped the floor with the GOP. Hillary lost because she was a “hold your nose and vote for her” centrist, not because she relied on leftists what the fuck are you even talking about? Harris did the same thing as Hillary and predictably lost.

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          Obama stayed vague and relied on hope and energy. It was enough after Bush’s disastrous wars.

          More on Obama: So he enacted the ACA. That’s great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. He enacted left policy and: The left never showed up.

          Hillary Clinton: So what did Hillary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. So she only stuck her head out with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. She basically declared war on climate change. You know that big existential issue that all the leftists care about, right? The big important issue that the left says they want so badly, right? And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters! Aka: The left never shows up.

          Harris quite literally tried to copy Obama’s hope and energy strategy. She literally hired Obama’s campaign strategists. But it didn’t work because “it’s the economy stupid”.

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          7 hours ago

          and even the biden win was just stupidly close given trump literally drove your whole country head first into the top “fucked up the pandemic” spot

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        Every time they lost it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up

        The left DOES show up…but here’s the thing…there’s not enough of them to make a difference. I know it FEELS like leftism and even progressivism is super duper popular because its omnipresent on the internet but in the real world there just aren’t enough of them to matter for national elections outside of a few specific places.

        It’s like relying on an 8 year old to help you move furniture. You quickly realize that they just aren’t strong enough to do much.