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Honest question: how bad do things have to get in the US for citizens to qualify for refugee status?
take a look at your neighbors houses.
are they on fire or being raided yet?
no? not yet.
Even then, it’s a tossup. We’ve all seen how refugees are treated.
It’s a scale thing.
one house on fire, it’s ok.
one house being raided, it’s ok.
five houses being raided and four houses on fire, time to gtfo.
Unless those are non-white houses being raided or set on fire, then it’s business as usual on 'murica
You obviously don’t know white people.
When I was buying my house, I came for a tour of the home, as you do when purchasing a home.
Within three minutes of us showing up, walking in with the realtor, the police were outside the house. Not one car though. Three cars, the house was surrounded.
On top of that, it’s clear that we were looking to buy the house because of the big for sale sign in the front. And even clearer the fact that it was me, my wife, our three-year-old son, my brother-in-law, my father-in-law, my mother-in-law, and the realtor.
Evidently the next door neighbor decided to call the police when they saw us because they thought we were robbing the place.
Who the fuck robs an empty house with six adults and a baby?
Let’s just say, I wasn’t surprised when they put up Trump signs.
Rich white people are afraid of anything outside of their “control”.
I feel huge joy and just love this song now.
This is the first real honest attempt I’ve made at fleeing the country. I have a contact near the Canadian border, only about 3 hours from me by car, that’s willing to host me until I get on my feet. My first visit will be in January.
There should be some community-led resource centres to help as well, depending on where you’re headed. I know there’s been a lot of talk and early organizing on this side to help resource people who need to get out.
That being said, I imagine certain blue states should still be okay for a couple years at least if that’s easier.
I wish luck to you and anybody doing the same. It seems to me like it could benefit Canada to accept the people the US loses. It won’t exactly be the trumpers and domestic terrorists knocking at the door.
I have pretty deep family roots where I am, and I was born into demographics acceptable to the incoming regime, so I probably won’t be going anywhere for now. But it is going to suck watching people get hurt and the country decomposing no matter where I live.
I’ve tried a few things and all have ended up dead ends… I’m stuck :(
Let me make a prediction: I’m not going to be able to make comments and posts after January 6, 2025.
I’ll be shot dead, or I’ll being detained into a work camp.
It’ll take time. Even Hitler didn’t immediately manage to implement his genocidal plans once he came into power.
Nah, after Jan. 19th. Mango Mussolini takes power on the 20th (MLK Day!).
I hate things being undecided so I’ve been a lot more relaxed since the election. Yeah, the asshole won, but at least I know what’s going to happen. The anxiety of not knowing was worse than the anxiety of having a racist dipshit in charge, at least for me.
I sympathize a bit. I remember my heart pounding in the lead-up to the election, to the point where I felt ill. Now it’s just an endless pit of despair instead of a panic attack.
A racist “dipshit” who plans on declaring emergency so as to round up certain undesirables without any constitutional requirements on their internment conditions, health, or safety.
“The Dude abides.”
I was raped last night. I can’t even think. It’s really clear that the world doesn’t want people like me to exist. Apparently they’re sending text messages to LGBT people about reeducation camps now, like they were sending messages about slavery to black folks a week ago.
Well that went 100-20 real quick
What do you think happens to AFABs who are “re-educated?” Lesbians and trans men have experienced correct rape for centuries. There’s an entire porn subreddit dedicated to “dyke breaking.”
It’s just a big contrast between “i was raped” and “they are sending text messages”
My advice to you would be to find a way out
Feeling pretty fucked up over what happened to you, all the more intensified by my first encounter with the phrase “correct rape”.
I hope they burn.
We put our faith in democrats and the democrats lost. It’s time for a new plan.
I did not make the connection and thought it’s a seasonal thing or shit at work but you could be right
Ready for the military to go through the county and ethnically cleanse you, or your family, or your neighbors and co-workers? Ready to find out what bread lines are like? Ready to experience population collapse?
Honestly, that would be one of the few ways I can see out of this mess. Because this… this would evoke resistance, this would evoke outrage and I think they’re not going to give us that just yet. They’re going to cook us slowly.
Fascism isn’t digging it’s claws into the West “Beerhall Putsch”-style, it’s going to be “Prussia contra Reich”-style.
The ruling basically tolerated a breach of the constitution because the court shied away from accusing the President of a breach of the constitution. (Translated from german Wikipedia “Preußen contra Reich”)
It’s not going to be ethnic cleansing right now, it’s not going to be bread lines just now. But the fascist takeover is already happening and has been happening for quite some time and it looks like this: The quiet abolition of checks and balances through the courts and the continuous erosion of legal barriers to a party-dictatorship. It’s about gerrymandering, right to vote, about free press, free speech and multiple media conglomerates worth of disinformation.
The next four years will be one legal battle after another and one (relatively small) overstepping of a boundary after another. It’s not gonna start with the military in inner cities, it’s going to start with more immunities for police, with the eradication of resistance in the executive branch. New generals, new bureaucrats, new judges… if you want to know what Trumps takeover will look like… look to Hungary and Turkey, Trump and the entire GOP have already praised Orban and Erdogan as strong leaders and models for this new term.
Honestly I think hyperbole could be dangerous! If we now tell everyone to expect the goose-stepping, they will say “see, the bad things you predict don’t happen!” While completely ignoring the continuous erosion of the democratic ability to resist them through the system.
Yeah, things are going to get bad, but it’s going to happen slowly. So slowly that a lot of people panicking right now will calm down and go back to business as usual. We will be distracted and forget this is happening, until it’s too late to do anything about it. I’d be shocked if Trump is even president/alive still when America goes full mask-off fascist.
That’s what’s so insidious about it.
I’d be shocked if Trump is even president/alive still when America goes full mask-off fascist.
That’s not necessarily my position. I mean yeah, chances are good you’re right, but while things will escalate slowly at first, they’ll ramp up over time. The more their power is secure, the more americans segregate into a few (but populous) blue states and many (but empty) red states, the more the senate will gain power, the more positions in the bureaucracy, executive and judiciary they have secured, the bigger their overstepping is going to be and the faster shit’ll escalate.
And it’ll feel overwhelming and like too much happening at once the whole time. They’ll drain resistance by basically DDOSing the system, too many things to take care of, too many garbage fires at once and all the time the media is going to jump from one new development to the next, never following up on things, never allowing for a breather.
Man it’s going to be so much shit to shovel… and we’ll have elections in Germany too soon with a likely right wing government of Trump fans getting elected. I just want to cry.
You’re right, it will be a slow setup then a sudden overwhelming deluge, if not in two years then in four. That’s project 2025’s whole thing. It all really just depends on how much GOP incompetence and in-fighting delays their plans.
My comment about Trump was more aimed at the fact that he is an old man in seemingly poor health who doesn’t even really like being president beyond the power trip and ego boost. His main motivation for running again was to avoid legal consequences for the corruption of his first term. If he doesn’t die within the next four years my money is on him being forced to step down and pardoned by Vance
Okay, be real. Trump isn’t going to let there be bread lines; he won’t set any up, and any public direct action is going to be disrupted with the military and cops. People will starve.
I’d expect bread lines to be harassed or attacked by conservatives that get riled up about such communism happening out in the open.
Fuck.
Lol your psychotic. Turn off the news, put down your phone and go touch grass. Jesus.
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I want to know if this ages well.
Do we have !remindme on Lemmy?
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Want to know what’s fun? Watching your friends decide who’s fleeing, who’s arming up, and who’s lying to themselves. Welcome to queer communities in a red state in November 2024. Gods have mercy on us
#2 here. It would be nice to leave but I feel like I need to stay and fight.
There’s time to get a passport.
Not much. If you don’t have one get it now
Stay safe. Leave if possible.
Already in the process. My wife and I committed to leave on the 6th, and are currently packing. Our lease ends in the spring and at that point I quit my job and we move to a blue state (already have arrangements).
Oh and I got a passport two years ago. I’m living by the understanding that if you wait to flee until you absolutely have to, you may not be able to. Better to take some risks for safety that may just be better choices regardless. I’ve always wanted to live in a coastal state, I’m a little excited when I let myself forget the devastation that’s coming.
If you and your wife aren’t opposed to camping, and can do so safely, you are allowed to set up a camp for one week at a time for free in any of the National Parks, that could give you a foothold to find a cheaper place in California. Cheaper is doing a lot of work in that previous sentence.
Our friend out west actually offered us a guest bedroom while we look. We’ve actually gotten multiple offers in different cities. We’re just either waiting out our lease or leaving when it gets suddenly too hostile then staying with our friends while we find a cheap place (looks like we can downsize to a similar rent)
Good to hear! Just a heads up for you and your wife, anything next to the coast is priced outrageously, but if you look even half an hour drive inland, the prices drop quickly.
If you and your wife like nature, there are several reasonably priced places in Anza-Borrego. It’s a tiny town out in the desert, in the middle of a state park. I saw a place out there a few months ago for only $58,000
Yeah, we’re looking at suburbs of Seattle and it’s not nearly as bad as we’d expected. Like without a job we’re going to be in a studio or something but it’s not nearly the financially devastating choice we’d worried. Otherwise we’d’ve probably looked at something like Annapolis or Minneapolis where it’s fine, but probably not much worse than Ohio cities.
The biggest things for us were being in a blue part of a blue state on the border with good job prospects for our careers
Well, congratulations on the upcoming move! I hope you like seafood, because as someone who has always lived in coastal states, having all the fancy regional fresh seafood around is really wasted on my dull palate. XD
My friend: “I found this really great seafood place, a little hole in the wall, let me take you.”
My friend, after eating: “What do you think?”
Me: “Tastes like… fish?”
Don’t like crabs, don’t like lobster, don’t like most fish… I wasn’t born to live on the coast, clearly.
Not a huge fan of fish, but I do like crab, lobster, and shrimp and I think they all taste almost identical. You remove the texture and I wouldn’t be able to say what it was, but I’d know it was shellfish. Only other seafood I like is tuna. But, like… From a can. Fresh caught and grilled? Ew. Idk what that says about my tastebuds.
I’m a pescatarian for the same reason some people give up all meat but bacon lol. I love fish too much to stay stuck in Ohio. My wife hates the stuff though lol.
And thanks, I’m very excited in part because we picked the city in question because a good friend lives there, and I’ve already found out it has all the things I love about my current location or at least close enough. We’re also a little excited because it’s closer to my siblings in law and we’re probably going to become aunts in the next few years so it’ll be good to be closer to the kids for extra spoilage. I just wish the move was more “hey this is crazy and we’re some of the least reckless people around but sometimes you gotta” instead of the “we’re afraid that if we don’t do this we may find ourselves tragically regretting staying”
Eyyy, glad to see I’m not the only one planning to leave Ohio; I’m eyeing the west coast myself, CA State job benefits look very attractive but I’d rather get any job (fully remote or in person) first and try for a state job later.
I need to get with my landlord this week and see about changing my lease renewal to month-to-month, since it doesn’t technically renew till January.
I’m mostly done getting rid of all the junk I don’t need and making what i still have more compact. I gotta work on my resume and start applying.
Literally the only thing I think I’ll miss from Ohio is Jungle Jims. Love that damn place. not living near my parents will suck for a bit, but frankly, I never wanted to live here anyway.
That’s… so few places to go to. Unless you have a spare 10k you don’t need… or a remote high pay job.
Yeah, that’s a contributor. I’m going to a blue state in the hopes it’s safer until things get bad enough for refugee status.
This has been a fucking long 2 weeks, and he’s not even in office yet, Jesus Christ
Not even the mercy of knowing most of the country is against him. Most of the country that gives a shit supports him.
Not a super impactful consolation, but updated vote totals put Trump under 50% so only a plurality of the country that gives a shit supports him
If it gives you any comfort, I think there were a ton of people who “gave a shit”, but were (and in many encounters I’ve had: still are) just too stupid to realize that “morally withholding” a vote for Kamala was going to enable something incalculably worse.
Those people aren’t evil. Just unbelievably stupid. So much so that they’re a danger to themselves and others. But not evil.
The outcome is the same, and they learned nothing from 2016-2020, so fuck 'em.
Unfortunately, we’re also fucked by this.
To be fair, quite a few withholds were probably too young to vote In 2016. None the less, many many more were still too stupid to learn from 2016.
Back in 2015, about 5 mo the after my youngest was born, I had the (at the time) most horrific day I ever had in my life. Long story short, I got fired from my job (for mistakenly thinking HR was on my side), my oldest son had a note sent home about a live breakout at his daycare, and it rained so hard in n 30 minutes that my house flooded (the top of the mailbox was almost under water).
I got home and was upset because of being fired (I was already beyond burned out from the job to begin with), and I was trying to patiently sift through my son’s hair to check for lice. I was not a very patient person at that point, said fuck it, and grabbed my hair clippers to shave my son’s head bald. I’ve never shaved anyone else’s head, but my own, so I probably was a little too aggressive, and the unit got hot and burned my son.
My 5mo was crying, so I took him and was trying to calm him down. Around this point the storm of the century began. It was so bad that lightning hit really close to the house (three times). Each time it hit, the lights would go off and back on, and then thunder struck. It was very disturbing to say the least.
Then the water began to rise. And it kept rising. And it wouldn’t stop. No matter how much I panicked and begged for it to stop. I was personally in tears. Then I noticed my neighbor trying to drive through the flooded waters, and her car got swept away by the water. I saw the water reaching her side view mirrors, and I handed my wife the baby and was about to bolt out the door to try to do “something” (it was straight instinct).
In short order, the rain started stopping, and all the water started receding. My panic slowly faded as I realized we weren’t going to drown. In no time my neighbors (most who we hadn’t met yet) all descended on my house with mops, buckets, and fans to help start cleaning up the mess. The carpet and bottom 6” of drywall were ruined. I spent my unscheduled vacation pulling up the carpet, replacing the soaked drywall, and even painting the office (it got flooded too).
Our office and living room was crammed into our dining room/kitchen (thank goodness for open concepts). We eventually replaced the carpet and painted everything. I wet vacuumed my car and removed 16 gallons of water, took out the seats, and put fans on it for a week straight.
Those neighbors became our best friends. We all still stay in touch and have multiple get togethers each year. A lot has changed since that day, myself included. I consider it for the better.
All that to say: this too shall pass.
That’s a nice story and all, but what happens when your wife is an immigrant and your neighbors all decide to “do something about it?” Or they just say nothing as the federal goons come to deport them.
There are incalculable ways for this to NOT pass for millions of us. Saying this too shall pass is some privileged bullshit.
Saying this too shall pass is some privileged bullshit.
Or maybe people trying to give each other comfort and hope.
You’re still responsible for taking whatever measures you feel necessary but lets not attack people trying to help.
You’re not entitled to harm people on your side, we’ve done that for the last decade and all it’s gotten us is a fractured ideology with a hundred different camps of people bitching about minor differences in what progressive things are good or not, and allowed a monster to get elected because nobody cares about trying to make leftists happy anymore. Lash out at someone else who actually deserves it.
Fucking hell, this is why we’ll never have nice things. Our side is just as emotional but not quite dumb enough to unify and focus on one target.
First of all, I’m not going to apologize for attempting to comfort anybody. There is no privilege in that.
Secondly, I get you’re mad and scared/worried (or whatever adjective you prefer for how you’re feeling right now), but let me assure you that I am not your enemy. Do not follow in your neighbor’s footsteps; focus your anger where it belongs: the establishment, and billionaires. They are the threat. Not you or me.
Just want to call out, there is harm in false comfort. Building a false sense of security and optimism can encourage people to not take preventative actions. Not every storm blows over.
Every storm blows over; just like each person reads my story differently.
My intention was to acknowledge that things outside of our control can and do happen, and that they can wreck our lives in various ways. It was also meant to demonstrate that panic and thoughtless reaction are not the best courses of action. Through thoughtfulness, and community, any disaster can begin to heal. In no way should that diminish anybody’s struggle.
Is it a
perfectgood analogy? Not for everyone; maybe not even for anyone. But yes, the storm will subside eventually. The question is whether or not the damage done can be repaired.Do with that what you will.
I mean, to take an extreme example: the Holocaust. Yes it eventually ended, but the damage was massive. The people who were in concentration camps didn’t have the luxury of just riding it out and knowing things will get better.
I understand that people can come together, but there are also people with more negative views and intentions coming together as well. There may come a time when you need to fight for what you believe in or even flee for safety. Unrealistic optimism can lead people into a very false sense of security by building a bubble that’s is oblivious to an impending event that could impact them.
The storm may pass, but people may die. Telling those people now that everything will eventually be ok is doing them a disservice.
Fine. Fair enough. I just feel there is a better way to comfort people than misleading them.
The better takeaway is that he put in a bunch of hard work, and so did his neighbors. Help out if you can, reach out for help if you need it. MOST of us are in the same boat, even if we don’t realize it.
Turn that despair into anger!
Anger is like fire. It burns hot, but it needs fuel, and leaves behind nothing but ash.
I’ve been angry for a long, long time. Now I feel tired and broken. Nothing left but the occasional ember in the cinders.
I’ll recover, I’m sure. But not today. And probably not tomorrow. Probably not for a while.
Lucky for you, I feel enough rage for the both of us. I am consumed by an unquenchable bloodlust of such magnitude that I genuinely do not feel like the words exist to properly describe it. All of these fascist fuckers think they are about to make us ‘find out’ but boy oh boy have they been doing a lot of fucking around.
I will not go quietly when they come for me or my neighbors.
Maybe you could disconnect and focus on your irl circle for a while.
All of my interests relate back to political and philosophical thought in some way. Closing my eyes won’t help. It’s not the barrage of stupidity that’s killing me, though that is aggravating. It’s the hopelessness, and that returns as long as the matter is considered, whether there’s news to go with it or not.
I feel you man. Most of my friends want to bury their heads in their sand to cope and ignore everything, I just can’t do that. I want to be angry for a while and talk about what’s making me angry.
I’m far too aware that the level of action I’m willing to take and the level of action it would take for one individual to change the course of nations are too far apart for anything but for my mood to change with the winds of the times, despair or hope as massive demographics drive them. On some level, I think, I would prefer to be clueless to that.
But I can’t be. Some fuckers taught me how to read and write and shit, and now I’m cursed with literacy and awareness. I fucking hate it.
But I can’t be. Some fuckers taught me how to read and write and shit, and now I’m cursed with literacy and awareness. I fucking hate it.
Heck yes.
I had a media career and gained a… habit if not love… for news and journalism in a way. The habit is crushing now in the way that an addiction quickens into life-threatening dependence in the blink of an eye.
I’m wrecked, honestly. About all of it, but there’s a little extra ketchup on the shit sandwich for me in the abandonment of journalism we see every day. Not to mention the impending media acceptance of Trump’s retribution.
I feel you in this thread and it hurts because all I need to do is nod along.
Don’t forget critical thinking.
You can develop those subjects irl too, for example by joining a local non profit that focuses on something that you like. I think it’s the best way to go through this difficult period.
My point is that I can’t mentally avoid the reality of living under a Nero, as much as I’d like to. Not that I won’t find ways to cope, some helpful to broader society, and some not.
Most of my IRL circle are the problem… I am despairing that I need to so heavily prune core parts of my circle.
Maybe you can develop new circles without having to cut existing ones, like joining some club or non profit about subjects that you like.
In the words of my therapist, “that’s just rage”. Anger is the feeling that says “no” and motivates you to action, not the one that kicks and screams and does nothing.
Anger has kept one foot going in front of the other at many points in my life. It can’t run on nothing. It can’t burn infinitely.
Anger is fueled by love. My anger is fueled by a woefully irrational love for this country, my state, my city, my neighborhood, my friends, my family, the culture and beauty birthed by this nation, now being set ablaze to avoid facing the atrocities committed to build it. While i am not fond of the past, but i must embrace it and love it; and only once there is not even a memory left of this place i call home, will flame burn out
Sounds like you need to sweep out the chimney. It’s a dirty job, it sucks, and it’ll only get worse if you put it off. But in time you’ll be burning like new again.
I don’t know exactly how the metaphor applies in your situation, but I’ve struggled for a long time with burnout and that resonates with me. Hopefully you find some comfort
Porque no los dos?
Depression is anger without energy.
More like anger that doesn’t invalidate other responsibilities
I never get tired of that follow up comic. It’s just too real.
In case anyone reading hasn’t seen the full thing:
https://thenib.com/this-is-not-fine/Just needs some of the text updated to current news.
I hope we get to the point where the fire can be put out. We’re currently in the stage where the accelerant is being poured out everywhere.
Comic is too optimistic because here the fire was extinguished. In reality the fire has only gotten larger and is surrounded by all sorts of volatile elements.
Maybe if you give enough asspats to people who sat by and refused to help put out the fire, next time will be different.
Maybe if you keep ignoring voters you’ll get their votes someday.
Maybe if you keep ignoring fascists taking over the country and enabling the genocide of as many minorities as possibly, you’ll attain a truly equitable and equal world someday.
Or you’ll sit there with a smile as we’re thrown in camps and you get to stay smug and safe. Whichever.
I’m not the one ignoring genocide, buddy. Next time tell the democrats that getting people’s votes is more important than sending billions in support of genocide. Sure though, people supporting genocide are totally not fascists just because the other party they love “reaching across the aisle” to support it harder.
I’m not the one ignoring genocide, buddy.
Really? Because last I checked, you spent the past few months peddling the exact kind of voter suppression “BOTHSIDES” nonsense and downplaying the very real risk of fascism as a Dem plot to bully people into voting. That’s either ignoring genocide, supporting genocide, or being the most self-defeating anti-genocide advocate imaginable.
But it’s okay. You got to feel good about yourself, and that’s what counts. Fuck minorities. Fuck the oppressed. Only your feelings matter.
If pointing out similarities between the parties is a voter suppression tactic, then democrats should try being different from the republicans instead of kissing dick cheney’s ass and screaming that they need to move even further to the right after every election defeat. You cannot shame me for criticizing support of genocide.
then democrats should try being different from the republicans
They are. But you either can’t see it, or are deliberately ignoring it because it lets you play purity tests.
Or are you going to tell me that this upcoming fascist regime is just business as usual, just like if the Dems won? Go ahead. Say it. We all know you’re thinking it.
You cannot shame me for criticizing support of genocide.
How about I shame you for supporting genocide, like you’ve done through your actions, and pretending your hands are clean?
