blocking on mastodon, that user ceases to exist, and is no longer able to see, vote, or comment on your content. on mastodon, blocking is blocking
on lemmy/mbin, blocking only serves to mask that users content, though they are still able to see, vote, comment, and mine your content for descriptive data which can, has, and will lead to doxxing
“blocking” on lemmy/mbin is dangerous misnamed bullshit
Have you ever worked with someone who has trauma? Triggers are more than the actuality of an event but knowing that the possibility to be hurt again. I’m not going to say more, but there’s a lot more to be said.
I mean, sure, but if you block/mute somebody and don’t see, hear, or feel them anymore (which is what the block on lemmy seems to do), when what’s the point of additionally signaling to other users “hey, I blocked you”? It seems like a great way to challenge them to create a new account and immediately antagonize you for blocking them to create the cycle again. And on the fediverse it’s even easier since they can just pick an instance that doesn’t know them.
Context: Lemmy still allow people to comment on your posts or comments after you blocked them:
Yes, they can comment, but the person blocking them doesn’t see it. The blocked person won’t know they are blocked, and the blocker won’t know the blocked person commented. I don’t see how that is bad. In the end, for the blocker, the effect is the same, is it not?
i guess it doesn’t do anything for stalkers, which i think was the point of the OP.
yes, it’s well and good to hide the content, but it doesn’t offer much protection aside from that. as the platform grows, that’s gonna become increasingly important…
I don’t think so either, but it is a side-effect if blocking were implemented like on twitter, were it not? Harassers would be aware they are blocked and find new ways to harass. Silent blocking (or the post calls it muting) is there better option, in that case, isn’t it?
I don’t claim expertise on how harassers act or what works for those who have been harassed, but we should be careful to not let the perfect be the enemy of thr good. I think the point is that having options, both muting and blocking, could provide the harassed with some tools. The suggestion isn’t to get rid of muting but to add blocking in the way blue sky implements blocking.
With said, if I were a Lemmy developer, knew little about harassment, but still cared, I do the following: reach out to the community and get some input from harassed individuals, talk to communities of those who have been harassed, talk to developers of other platforms and see how they handled the problem, and finally, talk to an expert. When implementing the tool, I’d communicate the tools to users and take feedback.
I’m not against adding tools. I’m against the notion that lemmy devs, who give up their free time work on lemmy, are somehow lazy and deserve being mocked for not getting around to implementing and maintaining a block function. These aren’t people who make 100-200k working the project, have a large team of developers, and loads of time to engage with everybody who has an opinion about lemmy.
Maybe I’m wrong and the lemmy devs had a definitive answer on blocking, I dunno, but looking at other responses, nothing of the sort has been proven. They might have some (OK many) views I do not agree with, but the “oh look, this VC funded startup with a hoard of full-time developers developed a product with more features than 2 guys working on a fun-time project after work! how can the 2 guys be so XYZ!?!?!” is a ridiculous angle to take. No saying you took it, but that’s the meme by OP and most of the responses here.
This came out of nowhere for me. The initial question was what’s the value of the suggested tool. I answered that because I thought it might be useful for the community. I answered your follow up questions because you are sincere. But your response is more heated this time and I’m not interested in notching up the heat especially in a technical area I know nothing about. But I’ll do my best to provide a tempered response to your concerns.
I’m not mocking them or asking them to do more. I enjoy Lemmy and I hope the people calling for this change chose to call them in first. This isn’t first time I’ve seen this request and it deserves a well thought out response. I’m not so tuned into this request to know if they’ve been silent, but that’s what the meme is implying.
If I were to modify my previous comment, I’d note that communication by the devs with the community is first and foremost. They should take care of themselvesand not burn out, but silence on an important issue like this isn’t acceptable. Nor is berating or badgering the devs. Block functions are important tool for maintaining healthy communities in social media.
blocking on mastodon, that user ceases to exist, and is no longer able to see, vote, or comment on your content. on mastodon, blocking is blocking
on lemmy/mbin, blocking only serves to mask that users content, though they are still able to see, vote, comment, and mine your content for descriptive data which can, has, and will lead to doxxing
“blocking” on lemmy/mbin is dangerous misnamed bullshit
Like 100% of the internet, you mean?
I don’t get why the distinction matters. From your view, it doesn’t have an impact, does it?
Have you ever worked with someone who has trauma? Triggers are more than the actuality of an event but knowing that the possibility to be hurt again. I’m not going to say more, but there’s a lot more to be said.
I mean, sure, but if you block/mute somebody and don’t see, hear, or feel them anymore (which is what the block on lemmy seems to do), when what’s the point of additionally signaling to other users “hey, I blocked you”? It seems like a great way to challenge them to create a new account and immediately antagonize you for blocking them to create the cycle again. And on the fediverse it’s even easier since they can just pick an instance that doesn’t know them.
from the post up above, no, and that’s the issue:
Yes, they can comment, but the person blocking them doesn’t see it. The blocked person won’t know they are blocked, and the blocker won’t know the blocked person commented. I don’t see how that is bad. In the end, for the blocker, the effect is the same, is it not?
i guess it doesn’t do anything for stalkers, which i think was the point of the OP.
yes, it’s well and good to hide the content, but it doesn’t offer much protection aside from that. as the platform grows, that’s gonna become increasingly important…
I don’t think the point is to signal to others. It’s to prevent the further mental deterioration from a traumatic event.
I like Lemmy and the anonymity, but it seems to allow harassers to thrive then.
I don’t think so either, but it is a side-effect if blocking were implemented like on twitter, were it not? Harassers would be aware they are blocked and find new ways to harass. Silent blocking (or the post calls it muting) is there better option, in that case, isn’t it?
I don’t claim expertise on how harassers act or what works for those who have been harassed, but we should be careful to not let the perfect be the enemy of thr good. I think the point is that having options, both muting and blocking, could provide the harassed with some tools. The suggestion isn’t to get rid of muting but to add blocking in the way blue sky implements blocking.
With said, if I were a Lemmy developer, knew little about harassment, but still cared, I do the following: reach out to the community and get some input from harassed individuals, talk to communities of those who have been harassed, talk to developers of other platforms and see how they handled the problem, and finally, talk to an expert. When implementing the tool, I’d communicate the tools to users and take feedback.
I’m not against adding tools. I’m against the notion that lemmy devs, who give up their free time work on lemmy, are somehow lazy and deserve being mocked for not getting around to implementing and maintaining a block function. These aren’t people who make 100-200k working the project, have a large team of developers, and loads of time to engage with everybody who has an opinion about lemmy.
Maybe I’m wrong and the lemmy devs had a definitive answer on blocking, I dunno, but looking at other responses, nothing of the sort has been proven. They might have some (OK many) views I do not agree with, but the “oh look, this VC funded startup with a hoard of full-time developers developed a product with more features than 2 guys working on a fun-time project after work! how can the 2 guys be so XYZ!?!?!” is a ridiculous angle to take. No saying you took it, but that’s the meme by OP and most of the responses here.
This came out of nowhere for me. The initial question was what’s the value of the suggested tool. I answered that because I thought it might be useful for the community. I answered your follow up questions because you are sincere. But your response is more heated this time and I’m not interested in notching up the heat especially in a technical area I know nothing about. But I’ll do my best to provide a tempered response to your concerns.
I’m not mocking them or asking them to do more. I enjoy Lemmy and I hope the people calling for this change chose to call them in first. This isn’t first time I’ve seen this request and it deserves a well thought out response. I’m not so tuned into this request to know if they’ve been silent, but that’s what the meme is implying.
If I were to modify my previous comment, I’d note that communication by the devs with the community is first and foremost. They should take care of themselvesand not burn out, but silence on an important issue like this isn’t acceptable. Nor is berating or badgering the devs. Block functions are important tool for maintaining healthy communities in social media.
no, it functions as it should.