• mke
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    7 hours ago

    I feel like most people are wildly inconsistent on this. Fat shaming? Small dick energy? How about mental illness? Baldness for some reason? Disabilities? Oh, we could probably go on about those. Some people seemingly decide a line is too simple and draw a complex sine function instead.

    My rule is to try to be decent. Sometimes, I even succeed. But I don’t think I’m very good at it, and neither are most of you. Bunch of hypocrites, we are.

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      5 hours ago

      But what if it’s in the positive? Damn girl I like your fat ass. But I can see it being used negatively.

      I like Big Dick Energy though. Can we keep that?

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        I think you answered your own question? It depends on meaning and context, not just words themselves. And while positive messages intersect the overarching topic, they’re different enough that we can’t just bundle them together and treat them in the same fashion.

        I like Big Dick Energy though. Can we keep that?

        Can’t handle the magnitude of that question on my own, I’m afraid.

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      4 hours ago

      The cool kids have moved on to using ableism to mock public figures. Now Trump is a psychopath, Musk is a narcissist, and Peterson is schizo.

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        I know right, can’t we just leave the high functioning unmedicated, untreated, psychopaths, narcissist, and schitzos alone. Its perfectly normal they hold reins of power.

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        Drag, I get where you’re coming from, but don’t you think those three groups are different?

        Schizo? Schizo ppl are harmless and don’t deserve to have something fundamental to their mental state used as an insult. I completely agree with you here.

        Narcissist? This wasn’t always a diagnosis and doesn’t always refer to one. I don’t see anything wrong with using this as an insult. Defending it under ableism kinda feels like calling the word “abuser” abelist - sure, abusive people probably also struggle with mental health.

        Psychopath? That’s also pretty hard to defend.

        Honesty I think you’d be better off pointing out how these people aren’t mentally ill and are fully culpable for what they do, instead of labeling it all abelist.

        The word Schizo definetly doesn’t belong here, that is abelist. Peterson isn’t schizo he’s a close minded misandrist.

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          Defending it under ableism kinda feels like calling the word “abuser” abelist

          Drag is willing to accept that premise only after psychologists put “abuser disorder” in the DSM. They can probably put it right next to “crime disorder” and “being a bad person disorder” within the “things that are behaviours and not mental health conditions” section. Until that section gets made, everything in the DSM is a mental health condition and NOT an action.

          Honesty I think you’d be better off pointing out how these people aren’t mentally ill and are fully culpable for what they do, instead of labeling it all abelist.

          Por que no los dos?

          Trump is a criminal because he’s chosen to do criminal things. Musk is an abuser because he’s chosen to do abusive things. ASPD and NPD aren’t choices and they aren’t actions. Mixing up criminal and abusive behaviour with mental health conditions is ableist. It’s the ableism that happens when you hear about a bad thing and assume a minority did it. “Someone robbed the convenience store? Must have been a black.” “A famous musician molested a child? I always knew he was gay.” “A politician bribed a pornstar with campaign funds to hide his relationship with her? He must have a mental illness.” It’s wrong.

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    7 hours ago

    If you want to insult someone, don’t say things you find offensive. Say things they find offensive.

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        4 hours ago

        yeah and when that was clearly working the Harris campaign just dropped it in favor of stupid shit like bragging about republicans endorsing her.

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    9 hours ago

    I said that on here and was heavily downvoted. Granted, I was inebriated so a lot of anger came across (so I’ve since deleted it) so maybe it was that.