Let’s face it, the dems don’t care about the commoners, the republicans are actually pure evil, everyone was happy when that shitstain CEO got shot.
Maybe we should build on this momentum we have to drive actual change at the political level.
my first act as president in 2029 would be to issue a full and unconditional pardon of the billionaire killer.
edit:
well alrighty then, followup question, does anyone want to join my newly formed political party? I’m going to start working on drafting our mission statement, or manifesto or whatever it should be called.
Further Edit: I set up a lemmy community for us to post shit about it. If you want to join, that’s our official, unofficial space. https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty
We should not. This idea of starting a new party to do something has been exhaustively understood for a long time. All it is capable of doing is hurting the major party your new party is closest to. Best explained here.
It is exciting to create something new you have total control over, and that excitement can help you get off the ground and feel like you’re going somewhere, but this is an illusion, an eventually that momentum slams into a wall as you realize you’ve only shifted de facto political reality in the United States in the opposite direction you wanted to (again: because all third parties can do is steal votes from their most closely aligned major party).
Bernie Sanders has had this figured out for a long time. He shits on the rich morning and night. He’s also a grownup and knows that his only viable course is to try to shift one of the major parties themselves. He thinks he has better odds with the Democrats, and he’s probably right, though maybe “less bad odds” is a better characterization.
Entering into a major party is not fun and exciting and you don’t have a lot of control and quick momentum. But it is the only way. Small progress, long game. A flash in the pan 3rd party will only burn you.
Yes because the Dems are basically suckups to the rich, just less fascist.
Should you? Why shouldnt you?
Because it will only spoil whichever major party is a little more closely aligned with it.
Can you elaborate please, cause USA doesn’t have a real left party at the minute, does it?
This video gives a great visual explanation of why third parties in US politics can only be spoilers. They cannot build anything.
https://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk?si=WRctK96W6GrJJO2S
America already has “real left” parties like the Peace & Freedom party and the Green party. Starting yet another tiny party to occupy the left will add nothing. And trying to grow any of these third parties can only do one thing: take votes from Democrats, thereby helping Republicans.
It’s easy to say “US doesn’t have a real left party” but most people who care about that would rather not hurt Democrats and help Republicans, because Democrats are at least closer to the left out of the two major parties, even if neither is as far left as we would like.
The only option is to join the Democratic party and attempt to shift it left. This is exactly what America’s most prominent 3 leftists have done: AOC, Dennis Kucinich, and Bernie Sanders. They know that 3rd parties are a death wish. This is an objective fact. Everyone who cares about the left needs to grow up, accept this, and move on. Just like Bernie has. You don’t see him calling for a 3rd party. And he’s clearly a “real leftist” by any measure.
Yeah, FPTP. Im British mate. I know all about it.
By real left, Im talking real terms, not relative to other parties.
I answered you, mate. These parties DO exist in the US they are just really small, and this is why.
Theyre small cause of a lack of funding and an education system and media that tells people anything left is evil.
In the UK we had Jeremy Corbyn run for PM in 2017, in spite of a character assassination that said he supported the IRA and would ruin the country (That was never backed up with any facts…), and people saying Labour just get us in debt (Again, bollocks.), he still came incredibly close to winning, much like Sanders.
Probably doesn’t have enough money
All part of the plan init.
Yes
It exist already. Join PSL
Pumpkin spice latte?
i would, but they appear to be tankies who support the NK government and the CCP. I’m very against those failed worker states.
Do you know why they do, and can counter their reasoning? Why do you call the PRC a “failed worker state” despite 95% approval ratings? I suggest you start with theory before trying to do something new with no foundation. I made an introductory Marxist reading list, if you’d like.
Get the hell outta here.
What happened on June 5 1989 in Tiananmen square?
What kind of pivot is this? What are you trying to accomplish, here? I asked you a question, if you can’t answer that and instead respond with rudeness, then why would I ever answer what you ask?
Because I don’t deal with dumbass tankies who simp for pooh bear and his little brother Kim.
I have to agree I find PSL disappointing. In their long history they don’t seem to have put even a dog catcher into elected office.
It’s a revolutionary party, the focus is not exactly on elections
Then it’s a dumb revolution. No new human system can arise that doesn’t use remnants of the old. Observe the current revolution happening in the united states. The MAGA fuckers are putting their cronies into positions everywhere, with the clearly stated purpose of destroying our current system.
A revolution that envisions a clean start untainted by what came before is the revolution of a naive child.
Revolution doesn’t mean throwing the entirety of past society away, but changing whose hands its in.
Exactly!
Then I don’t see why you are disagreeing with @[email protected] here.
If you want a new leftist political party you are going to have a hard time finding one without leftists. It is also worth questioning why it is you agree with the state on those points. What makes you think they would not lie and slander their enemies?
Third parties don’t work. Support progressives and progressives only in the Democratic Party. The Working Families Party is a fantastic party as well.
Yeah sure, so they can rig their primaries again.
Again, that is why we need to push for the DNC chair to be a progressive.
Heard this for 30+ years and watched the Dems just go further right. Don’t think it works bud.
Yeah, creating a third party seems a lot easier and more effective than taking over an existing party like the tea party did.
fuck the democratic party. they’ve failed us, it’s time to bury the corpse.
It would be more effective to focus on supporting a progressive candidate for the DNC chair. The prospect of establishing a viable third party is extremely challenging, given the existence of nearly 20 “progressive” third parties that have struggled to gain traction. As someone who served as the chair for the Ohio Green Party, and was a platform builder for an already defunct progressive party, I have firsthand experience with the obstacles such efforts face. I’ve learned from my mistakes. The Progressive Caucus, Justice Democrats, Working Families Party, and more are great organizations to organize with. AIPAC out-funded progressives, but now people know that AIPAC is the reason the Democratic Party is terrible, and now volunteer and donation signups for progressive orgs have raised.
I live in oregon, and I am looking to support progressive organizations more. Do you have any resources I can use to identify which organizations here are the real deal versus ones just pretending, or ones that are totally irrelevant?
I think it would be easier to convince a few people to take out more CEOs than it would be to convince all the progressives in America that the DNC is worth investing more energy in.
Unfortunately, it is the only choice we have, that or violent revolution.
No, because “caring about commoners” and “shitting on the rich” are not actually the same objective. People are happy about it because it feels good to get revenge or for people who treat others unfairly to be punished, but sating popular bloodthirst isn’t necessarily aligned with actually making society a better place. “Kill the bad people and the problems will be fixed” is historically very much a famous last words kind of sentiment.
Don’t Start With President! Running for president as a party that doesn’t have any senators or governors is a massive waste of money on an ego trip that normally hurts the side that people voting for them support.
Start with safe democratic states, like New York and California. Run for safe democratic mayor-ships and house seats. Once you get a couple of wins, momentum, and a bench of candidates: then try for governor or senator. Once you get more than 3 of them THEN you choose the most popular among the group and run them for president.
Need to fix the broken FPTP voting system first. Otherwise any left leaning political party will just take votes away from the dems and hand the election to the republicans.
And Republicans know this by the way, any left leaning fringe party will get financial donations from the Republican Party,
Could look into the working families party. I like their policies, and they’re building power from the ground up in local elections rather than trying to run a presidential candidate.
Good luck, it will go nowhere
Until the wonner-takes-all system is changed you will always only have Democrats and Republicans
Of course all that depends on if there will be a democracy left after 4 years…
But without rich people, who’s going to fund it?
With enough momentum, we can start a grassroots movement.
They just arrested the only one of us with enough guts to do anything tangible about the fucked up system. If we stop now, he’ll go down, shit will stay the same. We need to be outraged. We need to be out there, shitting on billionaire CEOs of insurance companies. We need to make sure that nobody forgets who holds the actual power. It’s not them, the wealthy few, it’s us, the masses.
Our grandparents parents pulled off more difficult shit with less than what we had, we cannot let these fuckers take back what was fought so hard for.
Well, good on you man. I’m skeptical this event can be pivoted into actual positive change for the average American, but if you have enough resolve to make a go of it, you’re a better man than I.
Depose party
I don’t think we’re going to gain any traction until we override Citizens United and make bribing public officials illegal again. That would allow us to take back the legislative process and begin passing bills that the super rich are not going to like.
We need a new system. Not a new party to add to the shitty system.
No shit, but how are we going to do that? What would we need to do to effect that change?
Unfortunately, the only real path out of this at this point is violent revolution. We tried everything else. For decades. Pleaded with them to listen. They arrested and murdered us. Brainwashed the average person using sophisticated psychological conditioning. Captured every branch of government and agency.
Tell me another way. I am begging you. But I’ve been looking for years and I have hit a wall. We are out of time.
They chose this.
