I don’t. But it means that these people may not be so far from the same ideal as us. Which matters in convincing people for a revolution, and elections later on (if they still will be free and fair after Trump).
In fact, polling showed, a substantial number of people in 2016 and 2020 went from Bernie voting in primaries to voting Trump.
The people want someone who isn’t scared to criticise neoliberal elitism.
Well Trump was president in 2016 and we had a free election in 2020. But even if 2028 is not free, the current situation is that the vast majority of the country is boiling in anti-elite sentiment, this could lead to a revolution.
I’m sorry if I’m not conforming with you pessimistic or what you might call “realist” views. But I’m not going to give up. I’m not going to let facism win. We can only achieve a better future if we start imagining it and believing in it.
If Facism wins I get murdered. I’m doing everything to not let that happen.
Trump didn’t have all three branches of government on his side. He also didn’t literally say he was going to be a dictator. It’s not pessimism, it is realism.
Do you think he was just joking when he said he was going to be a dictator?
It’s not pessism to admit Trump is a wannabe dictator.
It’s pessimism to sit there complaining about it without imagining paths and working towards a better alternative.
I’m not one of these “anti-electoralism” people. I vote, and I think voting maters. But a lot more matters than just voting.
You can’t just say “oh well we did our best” after you lose the electionand let facism happen. You gotta fight, you gotta advocate, you gotta defend those who need it.
He’s not a “wannabe dictator.” He made it very clear what he is going to be and he controls all three branches of government. On top of that, they’ve given him permission to do anything as an “official presidential act” (i.e. declare himself dictator) and it would be up to congress, who are on his side, to say he can’t.
Fighting fascism doesn’t mean living in a pipe dream world where It Can’t Happen Here.
I didn’t say you did. But it’s been a confusing conversation because it feels like I make a point in every message, and then you disagree with a minor detail of my point, instead of having a conversation about the big picture.
To me it feels like we aren’t talking to each other really.
I’m basically saying:
We gotta use all means necessary to fight facism.
And to me it seems you end up replying:
But Trump is a dictator.
Which confuses me because not very relevant to my point.
I don’t. But it means that these people may not be so far from the same ideal as us. Which matters in convincing people for a revolution, and elections later on (if they still will be free and fair after Trump).
In fact, polling showed, a substantial number of people in 2016 and 2020 went from Bernie voting in primaries to voting Trump. The people want someone who isn’t scared to criticise neoliberal elitism.
Yes, the famously free and fair elections under dictatorships.
Well Trump was president in 2016 and we had a free election in 2020. But even if 2028 is not free, the current situation is that the vast majority of the country is boiling in anti-elite sentiment, this could lead to a revolution.
I’m sorry if I’m not conforming with you pessimistic or what you might call “realist” views. But I’m not going to give up. I’m not going to let facism win. We can only achieve a better future if we start imagining it and believing in it. If Facism wins I get murdered. I’m doing everything to not let that happen.
Trump didn’t have all three branches of government on his side. He also didn’t literally say he was going to be a dictator. It’s not pessimism, it is realism.
Do you think he was just joking when he said he was going to be a dictator?
It’s not pessism to admit Trump is a wannabe dictator.
It’s pessimism to sit there complaining about it without imagining paths and working towards a better alternative.
I’m not one of these “anti-electoralism” people. I vote, and I think voting maters. But a lot more matters than just voting.
You can’t just say “oh well we did our best” after you lose the electionand let facism happen. You gotta fight, you gotta advocate, you gotta defend those who need it.
He’s not a “wannabe dictator.” He made it very clear what he is going to be and he controls all three branches of government. On top of that, they’ve given him permission to do anything as an “official presidential act” (i.e. declare himself dictator) and it would be up to congress, who are on his side, to say he can’t.
Fighting fascism doesn’t mean living in a pipe dream world where It Can’t Happen Here.
You’re arguing against someone who isn’t me.
Whatever Trump is is irrelevant to my point. My point is its pessimistic and problematic to surrender to facism happening without putting up a fight.
When did I say anything about surrendering or not fighting?
People sure like putting words in my mouth.
I didn’t say you did. But it’s been a confusing conversation because it feels like I make a point in every message, and then you disagree with a minor detail of my point, instead of having a conversation about the big picture.
To me it feels like we aren’t talking to each other really.
I’m basically saying: We gotta use all means necessary to fight facism.
And to me it seems you end up replying: But Trump is a dictator.
Which confuses me because not very relevant to my point.
It’s because you equivocate and dance around without saying what you mean.
Just say you think violence isn’t justified and won’t get the results you want. People will disagree but at least your stance will be clear.