The only threat to this burgeoning community is the same old divide & collapse nonsense that separates citizens under their overlords everywhere.

I would create accounts and start calling to defederate instances which allow non-polite (or politically incorrect or otherwise offensive) communities.

We didn’t just survive the trolls on reddit. We thrived amongst them. We can handle them. We can block them.

I want curatorial tools to curate my own feed. I absolutely 100% do NOT want any admins telling me what I can’t read. And going to another instance is no solution if that instance is blocked.

I don’t want to be on a purely polite ecosystem, or a purely right-wing-idiot ecosystem. I want access to everybody, and the tools to curate that experience.

The trolls do NOT have the power to take us down. But the admins definitely do.

Welcome to the Defediverse.

  • Matt Payne@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
    68·
    1 year ago

    So you’re pretending that users who call for defederating an alt-right instance are basically trolls that created their account just for that and to divide users?

    Nope. I’m saying defederation plays into the hands of BigSocial. They’re laughing as we divide ourselves so they can easily conquer.

    When it’s well known that it’s alt-right communities that are filled with bots and foreign troll farms?

    Many troll farms are not foreign, you xenophobe!

    And are YOU “pretending” that every shitposter and non-politically-correct interlocutor is a “foreign” (??) troll bot?

    Remember, we didn’t leave reddit because of trolls. We left reddit because of overbearing admins. I don’t want to also leave lemmy because of overbearing admins.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      35·
      1 year ago

      Many troll farms are not foreign, you xenophobe!

      It’s a Canadian instance so yeah, troll farms are foreign.

      BigSocial

      Alright, you’re just pissed because it’s your friends that are getting deplatformed, you just made that pretty clear.

      And are YOU "pretending" that every shitposter and non-politically-correct interlocutor is a "foreign" (??) troll bot?

      No, I’m just stating a fact, the majority of troll farms are impersonating alt-right people, not people on the left and it’s an alt-right instance people are asking to see defederated because the extremes left instance is already defederated anyway.

      Remember, we didn't leave reddit because of trolls. We left reddit because of overbearing admins. I don't want to also leave lemmy because of overbearing admins.

      I just gave you the solution, be your own admin, create your own instance, shitpost wherever you want and let this instance be managed the way the admin decided it should be.

      Edit:

      That’s fucking rich!

      In your history:

      https://sh.itjust.works/comment/449630

      So you just proved that you don’t mind defederation as long as it suits your interests. How hypocritical of you… Which is funny because that’s always what happens when looking at the post history of the anti-defederation, they have a comment somewhere about them agreeing with censorship of some sort but are screaming that all censorship is bad if it concerns something they’re attached to.

      F off back to exploding heads you troll.

      • Matt Payne@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
        21·
        1 year ago

        you don’t mind defederation as long as it suits your interests

        I want to keep reddit & meta corporate goons from taking over this corner of the internet. That’s completely different from preventing two people from communicating via federated networks. This is totally consistent with giving control to the users. I want the users to have control, and to NOT have it taken away by admins. In both scenarios this is what I’m arguing for, and that’s clear and obvious.

        F off back to exploding heads you troll.

        If you talk this way to people who respectfully disagree, you’re the same kind of toxic person that you want to ban. The defederation is fueled by hate. You’re so eager to exile. And that’s consistent with your ugly remarks to me.

        • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          13·
          1 year ago

          *giving control to the users.*

          Like by deciding democratically how the instance should be managed?

          You don’t understand how decentralization works if you think Meta or whatever can take control of a decentralized platform like Lemmy and the point still stands, you’re pro defederation if it fits your (uninformed) values but against it if it doesn’t but you create a post against defederation which is basically virtue signalling that you’re so pro free speech and individual responsibility when the truth is you’re just an hypocrite.

          • Matt Payne@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            And of course democracy includes sharing our opinions about how to run things.

            And if you don’t think corporations can undermine grass roots movements then you’re the one who’s uninformed.

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              11·
              1 year ago

              Opinions have been shared and a vote happened and you’re asking for the possibility to vote on something be removed. How democratic of you.

              Decentralization prevents corporations from doing anything against it, they can create their own instance if they want to, it will never prevent people from just creating a branch of the whole project, that’s the beauty of open source code and decentralization. Lemmy turns to shit? Take the code and create Lemmu with a Lemurian as a mascot to replace it, that’s all.