• finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Lol

    I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.

    I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.

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      I respect the American people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.

      I do not respect a hostile dictatorship of corporate overlords that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.

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          I was kinda making a similar argument because of “if they were smart”. They are smart. Americans are smart too. But being smart doesn’t trivialize the very complicated problems with overthrowing a dictatorship/oligarchy, because neither government is currently democratic in practice — so voting will not work.

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          3 days ago

          “Whataboutism” is a term used to feel righteous while completely ignoring your bias.

          Admitting both contries are bad and then taking a clear stance between them is hypocritical at best.

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            “Whataboutism” is when you dismiss any bad of any one thing because there are other examples of bad things. In fact, you trying to deflect your bias as my bias is actually also whataboutism.

            If you don’t have any logical excuse for the bad thing, then you should stop standing up for the bad thing.

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              Sure, but here it’s pretty much about the trade war between the two.

              Neither side is just, and so seeing it as “China bad” is not a neutral outlook.

              In the US-centric environment, standing up for neutrality is easy to confuse with standing up for China.

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                3 days ago

                I wouldnt want to take a neutral stance here, if the USA is a 53 then China is a 87 on the badometer.

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                  3 days ago

                  Here, opinions may vary, but that’s outside the scope.

                  If you want my personal opinions, I would reverse the numbers. China is spreading authoritarian power and commits human rights violations primarily within its own confines and in some nearby regions like South China Sea, USA does it globally. Both are not great, though, and commonly I try to treat them with the same measuring stick.

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        4 days ago

        Vote in 60 dem senators and they’ll overturn Citizens United, limiting political donations, and they’ll tax the rich.

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          Not really.

          Dems are primarily sponsored by the rich and have to align with their interests. Out of two major US political parties, neither one is the party of the people.

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            HR 1 For The People Act - written by dems, passed by dems twice, blocked by Republicans.

            Before that the dems wrote the campaign finance laws in 1995 and 2002 which were the core of the Citizens United Lawsuit in 2007 where SCOTUS voted with a partisan split to allow any sized contribution, even Hillary Clinton was a supporter of undoing Citizens United.

            Even if the DNC isn’t your ideal peoples party, they are the party who can give you the option. Vote Dem.

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        No it’s a dictatorship by a small group that the rest of them are not in. It’s a dictatorship that demands the common people surrender all beliefs not sanctioned by the state, that demolishes holy sites, a dictatorship that forces minorities into labor camps. It’s a dictatorship that commits hostile takeovers of neighboring nations and allies itself with multiple other dictatorships.