With the progressive “resistance” quiet ahead of Donald Trump’s second term, congressional Democrats are making their own shift: They’re turning away from past portrayals of Trump as a human wrecking ball and toward more potential collaboration.

After ignoring a Republican crackdown on undocumented immigration for months last year, Senate Democrats holstered their filibuster power on Thursday and prepared to work on the bill — which Trump could end up signing into law thanks to their support. Democrats are currently debating whether to also advance a GOP plan to debate sanctions on the International Criminal Court for targeting Israeli leaders with arrest warrants.

On top of that, several Democrats met this week with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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    I’m looking at this (global) development of fascism rising to power and the centrist establishment treating it as business as usual, and I’m fucking scared.
    We’re playing out exactly the playbook that lead to the nazi regime, but this time around there are no good guys left to save the day.

    Where the fuck could persecuted people flee today?

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      The southern hemisphere maybe? So far Brasil has stood up to both Twitter (where they “won”) and now Meta. New Zealand seems to be at least semi-decent for now. Australia is unfortunately a bit more of a US puppet since the US coux in the 60s, but has potential at least (although with Trump’s proposed 20% tariff on China, and Australia’s potential as a “middle-man” to avoid a bunch of US tariffs on China, that will be an interesting thing to watch).

      I’ll admit I don’t know a ton about the rest of South America or Southern Africa, but based on things like the LGBTQ rights by country map on wikipedia the Southern hemisphere looks more progressive than the Northern, especially when you factor in the US and Europe’s recent shifts to the right.

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        Chile is another well-functioning and developed country with a long democratic tradition.
        (apart from that one time when the US staged a military coup and installed a murderous fascist regime that abolished democracy and terrorized millions, because the Chileans had dared to vote in a president who aimed to combine a socialist economy with a liberal society, in a free election.)

        Quote by Kissinger, national security advisor under Nixon at the time:

        “I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people.
        These issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.”

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    There is no hope for saving the Dems. They will embrace the Bushes and now Trump before ever caring about progressive voices.

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      Regardless of whether you agree with any specific policy position they hold, working with Republicans in this next legislative session is the only way Democrats will be able to influence federal policy. The alternative is bill after bill with only Republican input. I have no problem with the Democrats having input on legislation.

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        And what input do you think they will have that the Republicans would agree with? Maybe a rider to give Israel a few more billion? Shoot some people at the border? Bail out a multinational?

        Where do you see this bipartisanship leading? Because it won’t be to anything leftist or progressive.

        Collaboration with fascists is a bad thing.

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          I see lots of money changing hands. Think about it, all the hidden and semi legal scams can now be done in the open.

          Democrats should be thanking their gop colleagues more

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        The alternative is killing bill after bill in the Senate. You know, opposition. Also known as “the thing Republicans do when they are the minority party.”

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      They go center when the voters go right.

      A protest non-vote doesn’t move policy.

      People who always vote for a Republicans or Democrats eventually get what they want. Blaming either of the parties for following the will of those who actual vote is childish.

      Hating the democrats will not get you more progressive policy, no mater how much youthful exuberance you have.

      Hopefully one day, you’ll realize it’s not your ball so you can’t take home with you. You can only play the game that everyone else is playing or sit on the sidelines and fantasize.

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        I say fuck them and fuck their ball. The whole shit is about to burn down.

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          Doubt.

          Every generation thinks they’re going to change the dynamic and it never happens because the system is rigged.

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    Dem’s donors are telling them to stand down because they think Trump will be good for business (cutting taxes, eliminating antitrust enforcement, cutting back consumer protection and workers rights, etc).