Well obviously not everyone as I love it but im ok with you guys not wanting to be there. I have a feeling if you don’t like chicago you would not like toronto.
I don’t have a strong opinion on Chicago, I’ve only spent a few days there and it was downtown in a cold snap in February. There were some nice things to do but it was expensive and overall I’ve had better experiences in other cities. I liked it better than my wife did, she hates the cold. I on the other hand like to go snow camping (without her).
The people in the rest of the state hate Chicago because it dominates the politics, and the few Chicagoans I know aren’t a fan of the rest of the state. For awhile I lived in St. Louis but worked across the river. I still have to drive across Illinois pretty often. It’s flat fields of corn and thunderstorms in the summer, and frigid and hostile in the winter. I don’t really hate Illinois by any means and I didn’t choose to move away - I was only two and my parents moved to the Netherlands. I actually like Champaign/Urbana, I have lots of connections there. I still wouldn’t choose to live in Illinois though.
I mean it sounds like your judging Illinois by your experiences in east saint louis which is one of the worst places in Illinois. Also just south of there is the southern tip of Illinois. The part where it starts contracting to a point. That is honestly more like Kentucky than Illinois. Most people in the state don’t hate Chicago. I mean there are some but every state has folks that are like that. East of the mountains in California is sorta the same thing. North of Kankakee is far different than middle Illinois like urbana which is far different from that swampy southern area of the state. Anyway Illinois it likely more like Ontario than any other state although admittedly Minnesota may be the exception but only because the weather gives them an edge :)
I never really spent any time in East St. Louis. I worked in Belleville, Collinsville, Fairview Heights and Alton. I’ve been down south and up north and most of the middle of the state. I’ve lived in Minneapolis too, and a lot of other big cities both in the US and Europe. Minneapolis wasn’t my favorite either. I love Portland, San Francisco, Duesseldorf, St. Louis and Cincinnati. I’ll pass on most of southern California too. Paris is another one I’m not a fan of, but France overall is nice. I think it’s okay to have broad opinions based on your personal experiences. Obviously I’m not judging every individual. Some places just have a certain vibe.
I getcha. Even Champaign/Urbana is two very different places but I liked them each in their own way I feel they each complimented each other. All the specific places you mention though are basically that near saint louis and south of that I would attribute to the south of the state thing or the saint louis thing. Don’t get me wrong I like saint louis but illinois is basically the bad side of saint louis and its basically a small bit around that city. then that southern part of illinois you pretty much draw an east west line from the center of saint louis north/south and its south of that. Its funny because when on the road the highway takes a deep dive down and I swear you start hearing that music from deliverance.
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Well obviously not everyone as I love it but im ok with you guys not wanting to be there. I have a feeling if you don’t like chicago you would not like toronto.
I don’t have a strong opinion on Chicago, I’ve only spent a few days there and it was downtown in a cold snap in February. There were some nice things to do but it was expensive and overall I’ve had better experiences in other cities. I liked it better than my wife did, she hates the cold. I on the other hand like to go snow camping (without her).
The people in the rest of the state hate Chicago because it dominates the politics, and the few Chicagoans I know aren’t a fan of the rest of the state. For awhile I lived in St. Louis but worked across the river. I still have to drive across Illinois pretty often. It’s flat fields of corn and thunderstorms in the summer, and frigid and hostile in the winter. I don’t really hate Illinois by any means and I didn’t choose to move away - I was only two and my parents moved to the Netherlands. I actually like Champaign/Urbana, I have lots of connections there. I still wouldn’t choose to live in Illinois though.
I mean it sounds like your judging Illinois by your experiences in east saint louis which is one of the worst places in Illinois. Also just south of there is the southern tip of Illinois. The part where it starts contracting to a point. That is honestly more like Kentucky than Illinois. Most people in the state don’t hate Chicago. I mean there are some but every state has folks that are like that. East of the mountains in California is sorta the same thing. North of Kankakee is far different than middle Illinois like urbana which is far different from that swampy southern area of the state. Anyway Illinois it likely more like Ontario than any other state although admittedly Minnesota may be the exception but only because the weather gives them an edge :)
I never really spent any time in East St. Louis. I worked in Belleville, Collinsville, Fairview Heights and Alton. I’ve been down south and up north and most of the middle of the state. I’ve lived in Minneapolis too, and a lot of other big cities both in the US and Europe. Minneapolis wasn’t my favorite either. I love Portland, San Francisco, Duesseldorf, St. Louis and Cincinnati. I’ll pass on most of southern California too. Paris is another one I’m not a fan of, but France overall is nice. I think it’s okay to have broad opinions based on your personal experiences. Obviously I’m not judging every individual. Some places just have a certain vibe.
I getcha. Even Champaign/Urbana is two very different places but I liked them each in their own way I feel they each complimented each other. All the specific places you mention though are basically that near saint louis and south of that I would attribute to the south of the state thing or the saint louis thing. Don’t get me wrong I like saint louis but illinois is basically the bad side of saint louis and its basically a small bit around that city. then that southern part of illinois you pretty much draw an east west line from the center of saint louis north/south and its south of that. Its funny because when on the road the highway takes a deep dive down and I swear you start hearing that music from deliverance.