Yup. My local Safeway has 2 security guards on duty at all times and one by one the aisles are starting to get locked up.
We started shopping elsewhere.
It’s not just a convenience thing. Although it’s really shitty to wait for a person to unlock it and then feel pressured while they stand there as I’m reading the labels and comparing items. It also just feels icky. Like I’m being punished for something. Probably for not being rich.
How much of this shit is managers embezzling goods from their own stores and labelling it stolen or being barcodejacked at the self checkout? They also didn’t note the cabinets successfully reduced thefts
Almost like if a middle class existed, many ancillary problems wouldn’t exist.
Hey now. Don’t you dare put our oligarch’s wealth in even the slightest bit of jeopardy.
Shoot, mea culpa, I’ll go back to working off my medical debt like a good peasant.
I’d be okay with them forming this takeaway, but I think there were indications that the thieves were generally pretty well-off; it was often organized groups stealing and selling the goods by value rather than individuals in need of those specific things.
When asked for an inventory of items stolen, the CEO said “it’s still printing.”
I have the same reaction whenever i find what i need… Locked away…
I leave
The one employee in the entire store is busy at checkout. I’m just gonna order it on Amazon.
Yeah, “I’ll just Amazon it” is becoming a more common phrase. It’s cheap. The delivery is surprisingly fast.
Downside is you’re making one of our wealthiest oligarchs even more powerful.
And, of course, it could be stolen off your doorstep before you can even get to it.
It was never about “theft.” That hyped “theft” up as a cover to hide their own inept management.
Idk, theft was pretty rampant at some of my local stores, not quite as bad lately. I’ve personally witnessed a few people steal from my local grocery store in the last year or two. My local Home Depot was even worse until their security guard shot a guy and they rearranged the checkout lanes. Now in order to go through the exit you have to go through a long corridor of self checkout lanes with several employees. And I’d probably be less likely to rob a place if I’d heard their security guard shot a guy.
Around here that just means they’d shoot the security guy first. That’s why so few banks have visible armed security anymore.
The current SOP is to just let the perps take whatever, don’t offer any resistance, and let the cops track them down, and make an insurance claim. And optionally slip a dye back in the proverbial money bag. If you’re a bank or a big enough business the cops will be falling all over themselves to chase the robbers on your behalf. If you’re an independent business owner… probably not so much.
Our local Walmart has two (2) in-uniform and on the clock state policemen posted there at all times. On our dime – that is, the taxpayers. Meanwhile in the 'hood you can’t even get the cops to show up for a shooting in less than four hours.
It’s definitely about theft. Hard to manage that away.
Walmarts are doing this with things like cosmetics in some areas too, though at least in the one I frequent they have a checkout counter and clerk in the immediate vicinity. Not sure it won’t still frustrate the honest people who have lots of other options.
I walked into walmart to buy underwear and socks, they were all in lockup. I opened the amazon app on my phone, matched up the exact thing I wanted that was behind glass and it showed up at my house the next for for approximately the same price.
The fuck? I understand locking up stuff like booze, since that shit do be quite expensive, but fucking underwear?
When I worked at Walmart people were constantly ripping open the underwear packages and throwing them all over the place and we would have to repackage them every day
They did steal them too a lot of the times only one from a pack (if you have to steal underwear please take the whole thing not just one)
underwear, deodorant, and toothpaste are commonly locked up where I’m from. it’s the most stolen stuff as it’s a basic need for the homeless
It’s almost as if we should be providing these for free to less fortunate folks.
I remember one time finding a posting on marketplace looking for a tent as someone ruined theirs the night before. I had extra camp gear so I contacted them and hooked em up with a tent, sleeping bag and an air mattress. They were so sweet, I felt so bad for them and wish I could of helped them more.
Imagine how much it would cost for these companies to import through their supply chains some exceptionally cheap necessary goods to hand out for free to anybody who wants them.
People with any kind of money aren’t going to be using shit quality stuff but people who need it to survive will gladly take something that works well enough. It’s not like they’re stealing rolexes or luxury clothes when they go for that pack of socks.
This is not where I live. I think shaving razors are sometimes locked up, but nothing else.
There’s a cvs near me in a very affluent shopping area that locks up all the bars of chocolate and candy so that kids don’t steal them and take them to the movies.
In Boston a ton of shit is locked up at most convenience stores because the homeless population keeps growing and nobody wants to pay for shelters.
I think it’s just the next iteration of the detergent theft crap. Everyone needs socks and underwear; they’re stocked in bulk and are easy to resell.
Sounds like his job should be converted to an AI bot. This fucker makes how much money, and didn’t identify any of the problems that regular people in this thread easily identified? Turn his role into AI. Save the share holders his salary.
That’s what happens when you make so much money you no longer remember what it’s like to shop for necessities.
I can make thr same dumbass decisions for half the price.
Fun thing is that you could probably make an AI say they need more locking or none at all. There’s coherent words toward either strategy, and LLMs only care about making coherent words. So I guess just like most CEOs…
Didn’t we finally realize that the whole “shoplifting epidemic” was all bullshit to cover up inept corprate management?
Yes. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/briefing/shoplifting-data.html
ny times links are cancer.
Has absolutely nothing to do with prices being too high
There’s a retail strategy of putting products at your fingertips in the checkout aisle in order to entice you to buy it. Candy right next to you, so you’re munching on it when you leave the store. You feel good, they get money, no additional load on the staff.
This is, effectively, the opposite strategy. Make getting your hands on anything annoying and difficult, increase the number of floor clerks you need to constantly unlock the shelf, and generally make the retail experience slower and more unpleasant.
Both are correct. It’s too expensive AND it doesn’t help sales. There are no reps around to unlock the doors, why would you wait to buy?
Target near me has all the booze locked up. They have a button you can press to get an employee to open the cases for you to buy something. I waited 10 minutes for someone to come and open up the case to buy a bottle of Campari. Nobody ever showed up. I wrote Target to tell them I’ll be looking elsewhere from now on for any item they keep in a case.
10 minutes for a bottle of alcohol? That’s bullshit. I’ve never seen a place where the liquor is locked up near me.
I wonder if anyone considered installing a camera and a remote-triggered lock so a cashier, manager, or security person could just buzz someone in. All that crap is SUPER cheap now.
Or machine vision to track item pickups and follow the person around the store and out. You may need a cover over the items to have them pause to lift a plastic cover to give the system enough to confidently note that person X has collected item Y and placed it in cart/pocket/prison pocket.
Nearfield (NFC) was supposed to do this. I was supposed to be able to fill a cart and just push it out the store and be charged.
I’ve seen convenience stores that have a buzzer that turns on (very, VERY annoying buzzer) whenever someone opens up the liquor fridge in their store. This signals that someone is picking up some beer. It cannot be avoided. You want to be quick to get what you want and not have your ears buzzed off, but shoplifting alcohol is really hard that way. You can get it quick anyway.
e a buzzer that turns on
I’ve seen that before, but it was a LONG time ago. Very effective for small stores.
If they had more than 2 people working at a time it wouldn’t be a big deal
I was gonna say, this level of theft is possible because of the number of people in the store that care if that store is stolen from.
At a Mom&Pop shop, there’s only one person behind the counter, but they have free time to ask how someone’s doing when they pick up something they intend to steal. Plus, any other customers in the place are relatively loyal, and not of the “stand around” variety. At a big chain store, there’s two employees doing the job of five that can barely even point someone to an aisle, and not a single customer cares if the CEO bleeds out in an alleyway.
If they had more than 2 people working at a time
I don’t live in America but judging from what I heard, what is up with American stores manning the shops at bare minimum? Like, I heard so many complaints of self-service checkouts having no one staff looking after them, which leads to customers going to manned tills instead, because they couldn’t deal with technical issues especially for the seniors. Then when a senior is asked if they want to use automated checkouts instead, they reply with the snarky response “I don’t work here.” You can’t blame people for being reluctant to use the self-service checkouts, if there are no help! Where I live, there is always a staff looking after the self-service checkouts because of the inevitable technical issues or customers not knowing how to use them.
My guess for this poor implementation of technology is because bosses think machines are meant to replace humans as workers, when realistically machines should help people with work. We don’t live in yet in a world where there are robots with the artifical intelligence as good as the human intelligence. And we are still way far from having robots with good dexterity skills as humans to completely replace us.
what is up with American stores manning the shops at bare minimum
Before covid, they were just starving support staff slowly. A few automated checkouts, less hands on the floor than in the 90’s and the 00’s. You’d often have someone re-folding, re-organizing, and restocking at all times. in the 10’s it became more like staff during busy periods only.
When covid hit, the stores went to absolute operation bare minimum or even less. They figured out that they could literally put no one on the floor, stock and refill at night and profits boom. We’re seeing that across almost all industries. It’s like someone said, hey, have you tried just not providing any service at all AND raising prices. (e.g. health insurance) We should all be in the streets for blood, but we’re not. The idiots are bringing back the right wing, expecting them to care at all about their plight.
We are in a rather self-destructive area of capitalism. The top is expanding as fast and hard as they can. They are bleeding the lower and middle classes harder than they ever have before. I give it a year top before everything crashes and inflation puts us about on par with the lesser economies.
Self-service stuff is utter crap for any number of reasons. I had to call staff multiple times (thankfully they are staffed where I live) on some trips. It is fucking stupid. They don’t make things faster or easier. They just make them annoying.
Well Kmart when they were still open, was doing this to drive the company into the ground so the CEO, who owned all the debt the company had personally, could sell the company for all the pieces, land ownership, brand ownership, production and shipping elements. Why other companies do it I can’t imagine why. You’d think all of them aren’t trying to do the exact same thing.
what is up with American stores manning the shops at bare minimum?
It all comes back to money > humans in this fucked up country.
The business leaders don’t care about their customers. They will sell out the people they depend on if it makes the numbers 1% better. And then COVID taught them how they could make things even worse.
But then the rest of the people don’t have enough respect for the employees, other customers, or themselves to demand better.
You can’t blame people for being reluctant to use the self-service checkouts, if there are no help!
Much like with the locks on the storefronts, self-checkout is obnoxious in large part because the store owners don’t really trust you to swipe your own merchandise. The machines are constantly yelling at you for putting things on the wrong side of the machine or putting stuff in your basket before you finished checkout. And if you do anything wrong, the machine locks itself down so you can’t finish paying.
Why should you need help at a self-checkout? Its contrary to the very premise of the system.
My local market was the WORST. They still use the scale version. They’ve shut down all but one register. So if you get a full cart and try to use the self-system, it craps out around 25 lbs. The person has to come over every 25 lbs and authorize the reset while you pack into a second cart.
Of course, you can go through the register line with 27 older people trying to buy four items each.
It’s a shame, the market is huge, great selection, the bakery is great, but everyone in the checkout is mad as hell.
I don’t typically have this issue at Walmart at least. Their self checkout is smooth and effective these days.
That said I still don’t use it, because it’s still shifting work to me without giving me compensation for it. If I got a discount for using the self checkout, sure, but I don’t. So I’ll keep using manned registers.
This is such a weird mentality to me. You don’t get compensated for waiting in line either. Would you really rather stand in line than do self-checkout? Even if it were faster? Doesn’t everyone always say “time is money?” Then you’d be robbing yourself if you don’t pick the fastest option.
Edit: I always pick the fastest option. The less time spent shopping, the better. But then, I’ve never really had bad experiences with self-checkout, so I’m sure I’m a bit biased.
I will say one time I placed a big box to the right of the scanner then scanned it, but the machine vision system had already decided I was trying to sneak that box past the scanning area and flagged me as a potential shoplifter, despite having scanned the item before the vision based anti-theft flagged things and shut down the isle. So Walmart’s anti-theft still does flip out on occasion.
Certainly better than the days when every other item would do “unexpected item in bagging area”, but still can be obnoxious and the employee acts so suspicious when you trigger it.
Between having about 10x self checkout as manned checkouts, and some bad bagging experiences, I strongly lean toward self checkout, at least if I have a reasonably small amount of stuff. Larger orders I do the “load my car” which is supreme laziness for me and most work from the employees, but don’t trust them with perishables and produce.
I’ve tried asking for help, but the person I find doesn’t work in that department and the assigned person doesn’t show up for like 30 minutes. It’s faster to drive across town to the store that doesn’t have my item behind glass.
I expect lighting, store position, lots of cameras, hidden security tags, diligent security and psychology would minimize losses and maximize the chances of catching people stealing items.
It’s organized theft rings with someone likely on the inside providing info. It’s not random people taking items because they’re broke.
I’m sure it’s all sorts - teams, meth heads, kids, desperates, employees whatever. These “loss prevention” units have to figure the best way to deter theft before it happens, detect theft when it happens, trespass / prosecute thieves, and minimize loss of sales all at once. It’s a difficult calculus I’m sure.
It may be all sorts, but I suspect the biggest “shrinkage” cost is due to more organized crime. E.g. covers over the detergent, it’s not because of people sneaking it for themselves, it’s because some folks did a black market of stolen detergent.
There are organized groups, but they mainly operate through removing and slap-tagging (placing an adhesive barcode for a cheap product over an expensive one).
Some of them get very specific. When I worked at a major outdoors chain, they’d get a $3,000+ Hummingbird sonar unit and put on a tag for a $100 Hummingbird unit, so the cashier would see the correct brand name pop up on the screen.
When I was a teenager I worked at a grocery store. We’d replace the cases of red Bull barcodes with tuna fish can barcodes and go through self checkout with it.
Retailers fault thinking they can save $ by automating away jobs.
I’m surprised the scale didn’t flag it
This was early self checkout
I ran out to Walmart to grab my kid some cough medicine. It was locked behind the cabinet and since it was later than 6pm they couldn’t unlock it and told me to come back tomorrow.
I will never go back to Walmart for medicine…
Exactly - you see the little lock thing on the display and you’re like, aww shit I have to go find an employee, nevermind.
edit: Urban Anarchy idea - get some of those locks and randomly stick them on display cases!
My Walmart has a little button to summon an employee. The last time (as in, both the most recent time and the final time) I went there at night to try getting diaper rash cream for my baby I pressed the button, and waited.
And waited.
Pressed the button again.
And waited.
Sunk cost fallacy. I’ve already waited so long, what if as soon as I walk away to find an employee somebody shows up?
After 10 minutes I went to find an employee stocking the shelves and told them what I needed. Their answer was “yeah, we saw you buzzed but we don’t know who has the key. If we find out we’ll have them open it for you.”
So I left .
I hate Walmart so much.
Yeah but “These photos of Walmart customers will make you look twice!”
You guys know this article is about Walgreens, right?
You know how in discussions people mention related things? This is one of those times, Sheldon.
It’s about sales losses due to keeping items behind locks at Walgreens. The person you replied to gave an anecdote of the identical problem at another retailer, in order to emphasize that this is a clear problem for both retailers and customers. It hardly seems irrelevant to the conversation?
“I don’t want to bother them, they’re busy”
And underpaid
And understaffed
And they’re people. Ever since automatic checkout, I can get out there without talking to a single soul.
Every single time I see it, I add it to my Amazon cart. It’s not great.
