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Horrible. A family member of mine needs a medication called Tolvaptan according to their doctor to prevent kidney failure due to a genetic disease.
From drugs.com: “The cost for tolvaptan (15 mg oral tablet) is approximately $4,482 for a supply of 10 tablets, while the brand Jynarque can cost around $21,238 for a supply of 56 tablets, depending on the pharmacy. Prices may vary based on factors like location and insurance coverage.”
15mg is the lowest dose of this medication too. Often the dose is 30mg or 45mg, up to 60mg max.
America is going to miss Lina Khan a lot in the next 4 years.
Probably the best part of the biden administration. But let’s be real, the oligarchs were making moves to replace her either way.
Same as Katie Porter. Her white board was awesome for Americans, but also her death knell.
When will we start holding these people accountable? It is easy to say “corporations are bad” and then sit on your hands. It’s different to start calling out the people who ultimately make the corporations evil.
We have whole classes of people comfortable fucking people over – sometimes with deadly consequences.
While I desperately want to believe that we have finally reached a tipping point where it becomes time to start investing in companies that make diagonal shaped blades, I’m resigned to the fact that no matter how angry we get, most of the hoi polloi is too lazy to care about it as long as they have the newest fun gadget in their hands and a bigger TV than last year.
“We” as in society, the government, and the legal system, will never hold them accountable.
Shielding against personal responsibility and liability is one of the bedrock features of American corporations. Piercing the corporate veil is the rare exception and is seen as a big deal. And that’s because the veil protects rich people.
“We” as in highly motivated individuals who may or may not have a plumbing company with their brother, seem the most likely to do something about it.
People don’t make corporations evil. The system of economics makes evil corporations win. Until the system changes, nothing else can
Well, the Law is supposed to protect us from Bad People, or so they and the powerful tell us again and again (and again, and again, and again).
Of course, in reality as the Ju$tice System’s reaction to Luigi’s action compared to their reaction to abusive and even murderous actions done by those hidden behind UnitedHealth makes painfully obvious, the Law mostly protects powerful Bad People from our reaction to those people doing Bad Things.
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There are hardly any restrictions on them nothing is stopping you. Don’t use that as an excuse when we see mass shootings on TV almost every week. It’s only poor people that die from gun violence usually
Guns are useful for a fearful populace, to give them the illusion of some kind of control.
How’d Afghanistan turn out?
Then why do cops have them?
For state violence.
Cops love the illusion of control. That’s the job description
If cops only have the illusion of control then I still want whatever cops have.
At the end of the day they just do as they are told. They report to someone
You are going to love America.
Yeah, if they’re talking about restrictive laws when it comes to gun ownership, there’s no chance they have to deal with UnitedHealth.
Are the restrictive laws in the room with you?
*blinks T O R T U R E in morse code
One of the more ridiculous reasons I’ve seen for even less regulations on guns
This shit is straight up evil, will the company be held accountable for their crimes? This is what our justice system is for. Based on what we know so far, more crimes would be bound to come out in an investigation.
The shareholders are quite pleased with their returns
Luigi held them accountable, let’s hope for more
Did he though? The company is still doing all this shit and making tons of money.
Sure, they publicly mourned him and condemned the killing, but they also went right back to business, making cash hand over fist with no pause or real consideration to what they are doing to their customers at all.
If at first you don’t succeed. Try try again.
Well if the public keeps hearing that they overcharged patients 1000% and that he was CEO during 51,000 denials for life saving health care it may get the jury to not prosecute. Which in turn would mean change your practices or it may be open season on Healthcare executives.
I imagine overhauling their practices and publicly trying to show they are changing them may ensure he gets charged and then they would have to try to float back to ripping people off quietly.
Odds he walks are slim, odds he walks and they don’t change their practices which leads to more executives deaths is higher from the outrage I’ve seen
Allegedly
The justice system that just allowed a convicted criminal to run out the clock on a heinous crime and become president
a heinous crime
Friend, you’re going to have to be WAY more specific than that.
Fair
Even if they’re held to account there just gonna Texas two step and declare bankruptcy.
And then spin up another subsidiary and start over,
I wish it wasn’t the case. "Corporations are people too should go both ways… Death penalty if you do evil enough crimes.
I will believe that, “corporations are people,” the moment that Texas executes one.
This should absolutely happen. And it’s not just because corporations bad. It’s because it would fix the process of risk analysis and decision making.
It’s one thing to have an accident or run into unintended consequences of business decisions. Maybe some of those could carry the death penalty in extreme cases of negligence, but probably not the vast majority.
But if the company spent decades lying and conspiring in order to make some money while destroying lives and killing people left and right? The government should seize all shares of the company (yes even the ones in our 401ks) overnight and detain the officers and directors of the company for the criminal investigation.
Individuals who committed these crimes on behalf of the company should be charged with fraud a the very least.
It’s not the justice system, it’s the legal system
That’s how leftists traditionally point out that the rule of law is often immoral and unfair. An important distinction and longstanding ideological point of disagreement.
But when the law says one thing but the judges say another out of fear of political consequences, it’s not even legal system either. Which is what happened with Trump’s cases and is going to keep happening increasingly often especially with a strongly partisan SC.
Americans need to understand that the rule of law is dead or dying and won’t save them. It does not matter anymore what the law says, the fascists and oligarchs control all three branches of federal government and are open about the fact that they’ll drop all pretense of political neutrality or independence. The judicial branch won’t stop the executive from violating your rights and vice-versa. The only counterpowers are the states and the people, to the extent that they give a shit (election says about 3/4 of Americans do not give a shit or actively support fascism). It’s not a legal system anymore. It does not matter that the law is on your side when your enemy makes regular “campaign contributions” to the rulers.
Can we start using the justice system instead, then?
That system seems to be malfunctioning severely. Bypassing that system has physical risks to the user and should not be attempted lightly.
That system seems to be malfunctioning severely.
Pressing all buttons I can reach to doubt this take.
From where I’m sitting, the justice system seems to be more interested in investigating poor individuals than rich companies. I can’t think of many modern examples of rich companies (or even people) being held accountable for something that didn’t involve stealing from other rich people.
There’s examples but they aren’t proportional. Oh, a company with 3 billion in revenue poisoned the water supply for a whole county? Let’s fine them $10 million.
That definitely teaches them a lesson about consequences, except the lesson is that they don’t matter.
US Government: Best I can do is a slap on the wrist to the tune of about 0.0000001% of their yearly profits and a hardy, “don’t do that.”
Just fucking write “tenfold”, Jesus fuck.
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What is “1k%?”
1000%
Why are people struggling with this so hard?
Because it’s a stupid, non standard way to say it. I understood it fine but I still thought it was a needless abbreviation.
Formatting of the number changes the way people interpret it. Which looks larger from a quick glance 1k or 1,000? You’re 1h% correct, it’s totally needless, makes it less clear and honestly was probably done intentionally.
K = kilo, which stands for 1000. It’s extremely standard. Saying it’s stupid is like saying $ or π or & or # or % is stupid.
1k is a common way to shorten 1,000. And 1,000% is an acceptable way to say 10x. But 1k% is definitely a stupid abbreviation that nobody uses.
Non standard. That is all.
Solve for x
Why are you not upset by it?
Because the meaning is obvious?
It’s literally the stupidest possible way to write it
It’s literally the stupidest possible way to write it
Nah.
For example:
“UnitedHealth overcharged cancer patients for drugs by over 1,000,000,000μ%”
would be even more stupid and I’m sure using something else than base-10 would yield its very own class of stupid.
Stupidity is probably boundless.
Not when M% exists
Okay. I don’t typically get that caught up in the formatting of a number if the meaning is clear. 1k means 1000 in basically every context, and a unit indicator doesn’t make it more confusing to me. Are you likewise baffled by something being written as “1km”?
I have literally never seen k used in percentages before. Km is common, as is using it if you’re writing out LARGE numerical values (10k or above).
I’m not saying it’s difficult to understand. I’m saying it looks stupid.
But % is not a unit.
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Sure it is. If the company charged them 10 times the amount they were supposed to, that is a 1000% surcharge.
10x what they should’ve paid
Yeah 1000% is 10x but they were charged 11x what they should have paid. Overcharged by (over) 10x.
11 times what they should have paid unless you think that “overcharging by 100%” would be charging exactly the right price or if you feel that all medication should be
freesomewhat cheaper. Or more expensive. Whichever way the math works for that.They were charged 11x what they should have paid. they were overcharged 10x, because they would still have been expected to pay the original (1x) charge.
The 1k% refers to the overcharge, so they are technically correct.
Ah I suppose so.
Like everyone else here, I also hate this use of a percentage.
It’s better than “0.01 cents” used to mean “1 cent”
I don’t think “0.01 cents” ever meant 1 cent. $0.01 or 0.01 dollars would be 1 cent.
Yeah, about that. Bit of a throwback but: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MShv_74FNWU
1 * 10^3
Unchecked capitalism is really something, huh?
We’ve tried capitalism 1000 different ways and we are out of ideas!
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So people are going to jail over this and proper hard measures are going to be taken to address the obvious imbalance of power that allows companies like this to do this over and over again right? They’re not just going to give the company another slap on the wrist fine that won’t even cover how much money they’ve stolen from people, leaving them still making a profit for doing this and leaving the door wide open for more abuse like that to happen over and over again, right?
Right?
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UnitedHealth, employer of slain exec Brian Thompson
Not quite correct sort of. This is OptumRx, which is owned by United Health Group, which also owns United Health Care, which Brian Thompson was nominally the CEO of. In other words, this is like the sibling of the company Brian Thompson ran.
To be clear, Brian Thmpson wasn’t a billionaire, he was a mid-level at best millionaire worth only $41 million. He was just another star-bellied prole who thought he was in the aristocracy.
Point being, the whole thing is stupid. The health care system, the people getting rich off it, Luigi’s reaction to it, our reactions to it, the media’s reporting on it, all of it.
What part about our reaction, or Luigi’s, is stupid? Is it maybe, just maybe, totally justifiable anger?
Justifiable anger can be stupid and usually is.
As many people here can tell you, I am not cheering on the idea of assassinating CEOs as a way of making systemic change because I simply do not think it will work.
That said, I 100% sympathize with Luigi Mangione and I 100% understand exactly why he did what he did. He was driven to the breaking point by a heartless company that, like all healthcare companies and, in fact, all for-profit companies in America that put their profits over human health and life.
He was desperate and driven to the brink of madness by the system that should have been helping him. Of course he did what he did. I’m honestly amazed someone hadn’t done it sooner.
I still don’t think it will solve a damn thing, and neither will killing a half dozen more healthcare CEOs if that happens, but I will totally understand if it happens again and likely sympathize with the killer.
What are you trying to say? That you could do a better job then Luigi?
Brian Thompson was accessible and his location was known. Probably why Luigi allegedly went after him.
Americans love their health insurance providers
