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    Just went to LinkedIn just to see bottom of the barrel bootlickers defending him.

    ” He’s autistic”, ” that picture is taken out of context”, ” it’s a Roman salute”, ” look at these out of context pictures of other politicians making the gesture”, ” how can he be a Nazi if he supports Israel?”

    No he did a full on deliberate Nazi salute at a far right event.

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      I’m autistic, I’ve never done this gesture. Everyone’s different, of course, but I’ve never seen anyone at all do this by accident. I’ve seen the defence that it’s a “from my heart to yours” gesture, but if that was true, it would be palm up. Palm up is the giving gesture. Palm down is a saluting gesture.

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        Yeah, excusing it by saying he’s autistic is ableist by itself. We’re not incapable of understanding dog whistles or concepts, you know?

        Especially when people in the same breath call Elon a genius. You can’t have it both ways. Either he’s clueless and shouldn’t be in a position of power, or he’s actually a nazi… and shouldn’t be in a position of power

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      I’m genuinely curious: who the fuck defends Elon and Nazis on LinkedIn? Are we so far divided as a country that it’s ok to associate employment with a penchant for Nazism?

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      there is no proof in roman writing or painting of this salute, there is no doubt about Musolinis fascist movement using it in 1919 and later the german nazis adopting it

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        There is a painting from the 1700s that depicts Romans using the salute. So the myth that this salute has Roman origin predates the Italian fascists.

        The Bellamy salute in the United States dates to 1896. It too predates the Italian fascists, and it seems to draw on the same Roman-origin urban legend.

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    And more to the point, no one stumbles into an extreme-right event, gives a hyper reactionary speech, and does two nazi salutes by mistake.

    The media that’s helping Musk gaslight everyone should be ashamed of themselves.

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    It’s really important to remind people who are defending Musk what he was doing in Germany just a few days before this salute.

    He was fucking defending Nazis.

    This salute was no accident.

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    Billions of people, including those in high positions and with cameras on them all the time wake up every day, go about their business and then go to bed in the evening without even once doing a nazi salute by accident throughout their day. It’s not that hard actually. I’m on a pretty great streak since my birth as well and it’s really easy.

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    I was talking about this with my friend and she was like, “I heard it’s just a Roman Salute.” Be ready to be surprised at how many people will defend this crap.

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        That’s what I told her. I let her know that anyone trying to correct her with that is trying to play games.

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      It really is sad how many things that little fuck nugget has ruined. In this particular instance I mean Hitler.

      Swastika? Neat, simple little geometric shape. Independently created by a few different cultures. Ruined.

      “Roman salute”? Kinda neat looking, again simple. And again probably independently invented in a few places, but definitely Roman. Ruined

      The charlie Chaplin mustache? More widely adopted after WWI as a style that would fit under a gas mask. Ruined

      I’m not trying to campaign to rehab any of these things or apologize for musk. Just kinda sad how all this cool shit got tainted.

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        So I think this is a fascinating odd corner of history.

        The “Roman” salute is definitely not Roman, and it’s not of fascist invention either. It’s an urban legend among the classical studies people: a made-up non-fact that circulated around the fringes of classical scholarship for a couple hundred years.

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    How fucking scary is it that the richest person in the world is a fucking nazi piece of shit and now one of our supreme leaders? If you ask the people around me, “meh.”

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    I saw a nazi just as clearly as you saw a nazi. And no, we did not just see a nazi salute, we saw a complete nazi piece of shit. There’s no more to this story, nothing here is up for debate.

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    What if you’re really drunk and you’re trying to hail a cab but you can’t rustle up enough strength to get your arm outside of the danger zone?

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    Completely agree. High five!!! Oh shit. Shit shit shit I forgot How tall I am.

    Just a joke. Not defending just a joke. That little weasel doesn’t even have the balls to be an actual Nazi. Nazis are bad but He’s pretending to be a Nazi and denying it. That’s… Somehow… Worse. “Say what you want about the tenets of Nazis, atleast it’s an ethos”

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      The Nazis had great fashion sense as well. I mean, they murdered millions and all, but looked fantastic doing it.

      This new crop has the fashion sense of a neckbeard living in a college dorm.

      If you’re going to trample the rights of my loved ones and myself, at least have the decency to wear some spiffy shiny leather boots and accessorize with some skull jewelry.

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      Framing being a Nazi as having a defining rubric of out and proud suggests a false spectrum linking being brave and cowardly to a range between Nazi and Not Nazi. It’s more of a boolean function. A Nazi coward hiding in linen cupboard and an audacious Nazi in the streets willing to take a punch are still both just Nazis.

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        That was alot of fancy words. I have no choice but to agree. I’m not entirely sure if you are on my side or not but I know argument will be pointless

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          Sorry, read too much and live with a programmer who uses me as a soundboard and forgot how to talk like a human. I’ll simplify.

          It was implied above being an “actual” Nazi is linked somehow to being brave. I suggested that being a Nazi isn’t linked to being ballsy. A coward Nazi doesn’t just exist it’s just as deserving of being smacked in the face as a brave Nazi the only difference is their defense tactic is make you feel bad about doing so.

          Maybe a downgrade from a punch to an open hand slap for legal retaliation reasons? Season to taste? Won’t tell you how to live your life.