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      Right, but the incentives are aligned with the prosperity of individuals who figure out how to use them, so they do. It may look like one group vs another, but it’s really each capitalist against everybody else in the world, with a few alliances that are abandoned when they stop working.

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    Mutually Assured Dominance!

    Taken together it really does look like a conspiracy of elites vs commoners, but it’s really just elites individually and in small alliances doing what they think will benefit them individually. No elite will support a system they can’t personally control. they only take advantage of parts of it that benefit them, and try to create more of those parts. Collectively this makes it look like they’re all working together, until some issue comes up that benefits one and hurts another. Then they throw each other under the bus, which sometimes benefits the rest of us.

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    “Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom.”

    ― Michael Ellner

    I have genuinely written that on the wall of an isolation cell in my own blood. I was denied my prescription medication.

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      Also, a bank can’t just decide to put you in debt, lol. Nor can it keep you in debt if you pay it off.

      This is some im14andthisisdeep stuff lol

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        True but they can use predatory tactics to get people roped in. They can tack on rediculous interest rates and fees…

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      This is common knowledge. And now this country wants to prevent people from getting vaccines. Not my fault you haven’t been paying attention.

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        Pharma wants to keep us sick by keeping us from their product? Hear yourself mate!

        I am semi-certain that because of their corporate interest that the orange fucks cracker won’t dare ban it!

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            For sure, via increasing prices not by selling snake oil

            What part of our medical science do you doubt? You mentioned that they wanna ban vaccines so I reckon you trust them, what about surgeries, prescriptions? Maybe diagnostic tests?

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                Which opioids? Codeine? Wont even relieve your stronger headache

                Out of curiosity, as a bioengineer, what do you think what opiods are?

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                  Did you actually sleep through the last 25 years?

                  How the fuck dare you defend Purdue pharma and the FDA.

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              We must have got mixed up. I don’t doubt medical science in any way. My point is that the corporations dealing the stuff would rather withhold an actual cure if it means it’ll make them more money. Failing that, they’ll jack up the prices.

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                Except that finding a cure for any disease would be insanely profitable. I think even health insurance companies would prefer that their members are healthy so they can just charge premiums without having to pay anything out. This whole “big pharma is hiding the cure for X for profits” conspiracy has always been garbage when you actually consider it for than a second

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                  You’re right, one tries to kill you after they’ve extracted all your money, the other bribes journals and regulators to get you addicted to drugs that kill you after you can no longer afford them.

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    Guys this is kinda crossing the line into conspiracy theory territory and, to be frank, enables the whataboutism on the right. Generalized assertions based on “common sense” aren’t insightful or illuminating. Please stop.

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        It’s just like, I get it and I do agree with the spirit of the post, but are we really going to let grandma-Facebook level memes be what this starts off as?

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      Sorry miss chinabook(?), I just wanted to help a brand new community that was still empty yesterday. I know this post is low-effort but it was one of many. I’m going to step back so other content can make its way to the top. I look forward to your contributions in making this new lemmy community great.

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      At some point you will realize you’re not considered equal in the eyes of the law or rulers of the country.

      When that happens you can join the rest of us in reality, until then please stop helping the enemy lest you get confused for them.

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          … conforming to whatever billionaires say does not make you credible.

          It is a fact the US economy is built on consumer debt, there is more unsecured credit card debt in the US than the rest of the world combined.

          It is a fact the FDA directly, explicitly, and knowingly caused the opioid crisis.

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            I agree with you completely, but the meme is making much more sweeping generalizations which are a bad look. It feels less like the substantive arguments in your comments and more like the Tea Party.

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              It’s from shitter or bsky, There’s a character limit. It is, however, largely correct.

              The tea party had the right words, with the wrong intent, like the Nazi party when they pretended to be socialist. Libertarianism is a socialist ideology, the name was just coopted.

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    The corporate leaders will work to keep their profits up.

    If that means keeping us healthy and telling the truth, then that is what they will do.

    Bankers thrive off of loans and weapon manufacturers do thrive off of war though.

    A sick person want to get healthy, and if a drug can’t do that, most people won’t buy it.

    The media needs trust for people to consume news, truth is a hugely important commodity.

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      If a drug makes someone feel better despite not helping with the underlying issue, people will buy it. Even if that drug is known to cause issues. Painkillers is a whole category that does the first part and contain ones that also do the second, some by wrecking your liver, others with addiction.

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          A sick person want to get healthy, and if a drug can’t do that, most people won’t buy it.

          You said that. And I think there’s a difference between feeling better and getting healthy. Feeling better is more about treating the symptoms while getting healthy is about dealing with the underlying issues causing the symptoms.

          Those drugs that target symptoms instead of underlying causes still sell well.

          Also Alex Jones built up his empire in part by selling “brain pills” that wouldn’t do much other than maybe give you lead poisoning, depending on who his source at the time was. Health shit sells as much on hope as it does on results, and with the placebo effect on top of it, people can strongly believe that something that hurts them is actually helping them.

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      I do not know if you mean this serious? I mean an anarchhocapitalist believes all these things you stated to be the truth. Maybe except this:

      the media needs trust for people to consume news, truth is a hugely important commodity.

      As selling the truth can be profitable as a propaganda tool against enemies in the short term.

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      Keeping us healthy and telling the truth will never maximize profits.

      If the drug can help, the sick person will buy it. If it cures you when the pharmaceutical company can sell one that treats, but does not cure you, then they will not sell you the cure.

      Your “gotcha” is weird and useless.

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        You forget the need for good PR from time to time.

        They gotta release a treatment every once in a while to keep public oppinion up to acceptable levels.

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          Nope! They don’t need PR. They have commercials, at least in the US, which are illegal like, everywhere else on the planet. But if they want the extra boost, they can rely on media attention given to “potential” cures.

          If it’s more profitable to treat instead of cure, they will not cure you. Profit line must go up, remember?