I was wondering that too. But then, this is the kind of person that’s cool with destroying everything people have left at the worst point in their lives so…
I know. But it’s like meter maids. Everyone needs to pay bills. Maybe they salivated at the chance or maybe their life is ruined forever with trauma. The problem is we don’t know them at all.
People are not in a position to just walk out of their jobs on the spot. I’m sure the job description didn’t say ‘run homeless people out of their camps’. But if you’re already in a job, then the choice is between doing what you’re told and walking out / not being able to feed your family / losing your apartment / becoming homeless.
Desperate people do desperate things, and depending which study you read, over 50% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
I don’t disagree with your feelings. Keep that righteous anger. I’ve got it too. I’m just saying you need to focus on the affluent who are pushing the desperate to abuse the desolate. They’re the problem to solve.
Come on, they most probably had zero choice in the matter… yes, they could have resigned in protest (and in a sense they should have), but we can’t require that people be heroes
Please, don’t say stuff like that… I’ve worked jobs where I loathed the company values, but I needed income… One charged more for funerals of “brown” people and had a book on the shelf of the manager’s office that said “The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS”. I’m pansexual and my partner is an immigrant. A job is not a belief. A job is a way to keep a roof over your head until you find a better one
External circumstances don’t turn an immoral action into a moral one. You can never make up for the harms you do in the world. The circumstances you describe sometimes exist but more often than not, there is a choice, but we lack the courage to acknowledge it even exists.
If you became disabled, and suddenly you COULDN’T do the immoral job anymore, well by god, you’d likely find a way to survive. So…
Or maybe you will not survive, we can play with woulds and shoulds all day here.
External circumstances don’t turn an immoral action into a moral one
That depends on your definition of moral action I guess…
Also we are talking about an accident here, most likely the heavy machine operator doesn’t clear homeless shelters every day, but works on a scrapyard or something.
Fair points. Not everyone can upend their life like that. I have certainly suffered greatly for doing what I did.
I totally agree that this is a problem with the system.
Everyone can upend their life when they genuinely don’t have another choice. People keep doing the thing they know is wrong because they DO have a choice.
I wonder how the operator feels.
I was wondering that too. But then, this is the kind of person that’s cool with destroying everything people have left at the worst point in their lives so…
I know. But it’s like meter maids. Everyone needs to pay bills. Maybe they salivated at the chance or maybe their life is ruined forever with trauma. The problem is we don’t know them at all.
How is this comparable to meter maids in any way. They don’t do anything wrong at all.
If he didn’t have that job, he’d be on the other end of that bulldozer.
There are secretaries at UHC.
There are janitors at maralago.
These people aren’t the problem.
They kind of are a part of the problem though.
They’re like the Russian soldiers on the front line, who would be shot if they retreated. Dangerous but involuntary.
Other jobs exist. Nobody is shooting you when you put in your notice, or don’t.
People are not in a position to just walk out of their jobs on the spot. I’m sure the job description didn’t say ‘run homeless people out of their camps’. But if you’re already in a job, then the choice is between doing what you’re told and walking out / not being able to feed your family / losing your apartment / becoming homeless.
Desperate people do desperate things, and depending which study you read, over 50% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
I don’t disagree with your feelings. Keep that righteous anger. I’ve got it too. I’m just saying you need to focus on the affluent who are pushing the desperate to abuse the desolate. They’re the problem to solve.
Come on, they most probably had zero choice in the matter… yes, they could have resigned in protest (and in a sense they should have), but we can’t require that people be heroes
Please, don’t say stuff like that… I’ve worked jobs where I loathed the company values, but I needed income… One charged more for funerals of “brown” people and had a book on the shelf of the manager’s office that said “The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS”. I’m pansexual and my partner is an immigrant. A job is not a belief. A job is a way to keep a roof over your head until you find a better one
Yeah, this is exactly why they keep us poor and without security–so we can’t act according to our morals. Only theirs.
I had a job like that too. When I realized how unethical the place was, I quit.
Would you have quit if that means you starved? Also your healthcare was immediately ended because it was provided by your job?
What if you had kids? How do you explain to your child you are not eating today because daddy is a moral person?
I see your point, and you did good by quitting, but it is not the people to blame here but the system.
External circumstances don’t turn an immoral action into a moral one. You can never make up for the harms you do in the world. The circumstances you describe sometimes exist but more often than not, there is a choice, but we lack the courage to acknowledge it even exists.
If you became disabled, and suddenly you COULDN’T do the immoral job anymore, well by god, you’d likely find a way to survive. So…
Or maybe you will not survive, we can play with woulds and shoulds all day here.
That depends on your definition of moral action I guess…
Also we are talking about an accident here, most likely the heavy machine operator doesn’t clear homeless shelters every day, but works on a scrapyard or something.
Fair points. Not everyone can upend their life like that. I have certainly suffered greatly for doing what I did. I totally agree that this is a problem with the system.
Everyone can upend their life when they genuinely don’t have another choice. People keep doing the thing they know is wrong because they DO have a choice.
Always up, never down, and only sideways on exceptions