Since being on Lemmy I feel like I finally found a place I can consider more similar to my home on the web… I feel like this is the real decentralized web, not the next capitalism nightmare which is the so called “web3”…

Give me some guidance! How is the federation thing going? What are some cool projects I need to know about? I know Lemmy, Friendica, Matrix, Bookwyrm, Mastodon, but I’m sure there’s more!

  • Daeraxa@lemmy.ml
    10·
    8 days ago

    A few I’ve been interested in.

    One I’m surprised I haven’t seen (although might inappropriate for the standard, no idea) is an activitypub messenging service like Matrix

    • Jonathan@lemmy.world
      6·
      8 days ago

      The developer of Pixelfed - an Instagram-alike (and now Loops.video - a TikTok like platform) announced that he is working on an ActivityPub messaging service called “Sup.” There’s nothing else really known about it except that he’s developing it. AP would actually work fairly well as a messaging protocol aside from the lack of end-to-end encryption, but that too is being worked on.

      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        AP would actually work fairly well as a messaging protocol

        except when a temporary disruption in the connection results in new posts/comments/etc to not get delivered

        • Jonathan@lemmy.world
          1·
          5 days ago

          But that’s true of any network connected messaging protocol, making sure a message is delivered could be implemented client side. The issue with AP objects not making it to other clients / servers is more about federation discovery.

          • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            6 hours ago

            no, it isn’t for

            • matrix, because if the servers ever connect again, the message will get through. this is what’s called an “eventually consistent” system
            • any mainstream and semi-mainstream messengers, where there is a single server (from the users’ point of view), and the message just can’t get lost (randomly)

            the client shouldn’t be dealing with issues between servers. that’s the servers responsibility. if the server has told the client that it got the message, what is there anymore for the client to do?

            The issue with AP objects not making it to other clients / servers is more about federation discovery.

            I don’t think so. if you know the recipient, you know it’s servername too. and then your server can forward it to theirs.

            I think the problem here is that messages are not always delivered.

      • Daeraxa@lemmy.ml
        5·
        8 days ago

        I thought I had heard about him making that before but no amount of searching seemed to find it… I guess thats why, I was thinking I had just made it up or something.

        • Jonathan@lemmy.world
          4·
          7 days ago

          I know how that is! Seems like I’m constantly wondering if I just made this or that up. 🤷🏻‍♂️