In all seriousness, we’ve got to make room for folks to return to sanity. When they have these “ah ha” moments we should take those opportunities to walk them back to reality.
All the “leopards/faces” jokes, while cathartic, aren’t really helping and encourage people to turn their backs on sanity for comfort.
Is there actual concrete evidence of any MAGAs “returning to sanity” over this stuff? As much as I’d love to be wrong, I’m skeptical that anyone still in the MAGA camp after the past 10 years could see this administration do any kind of heinous shit and not immediately dismiss it as false or rationalize it in a way that conforms to the party narrative. I think they’ve all been irreversibly brainwashed by Fox News and weaponized social media.
My brother gave up on Trump and voted for Harris last year. It can be done, but they have to choose to do it on their own, and antagonizing them just pushes them back to Trump even more.
The bigger problem is that MAGA now controls most of the media. For every MAGA that sees the light there’s some apathetic low-info genius who joins the cult.
We have to find a way to counter fascist media, and frankly I don’t know how we can do that when the moneyed interests are almost entirely, and unsurprisingly, on the side of fascism.
I have pretty heavy judgement for people who have made it well into adulthood without bothering to engage with the reality of what they support.
However, always leave room for people who were raised in this crap. It takes serious time to deprogram and some people will do it at 16 and others might take until 26. I’m 31 and still deconstructing some of the repressive religious bullshit from my childhood even though I swing hard left politically (well past the Democratic Party) at 18. The brain doesn’t stop developing until 25, so at least give them some leeway until then to figure out what they really believe.
Is there any evidence mocking them and alienating them from our views helps? People leave cults after being in them for years, so it’s not like profound change cannot occur at any time.
I’ll always leave room for them, but I would still bet they will be fed their next set of talking points within the next 24 hours and be right back on board the crazy train.
That’s the real issue. If you have your fundamental beliefs shaken, you might reason through and come to a good, logical, moral conclusion. You might also do the cognitive dissonance thing and suppress the new revelation with bullshit. If, however, you have someone (faux news) right there with the cognitive dissonance spewing 24/7 and are in an echo chamber of others who are agreeing… well, it’s a good chance you’ll just accept the talking point and not question it.
Maybe the way to go about it is mocking them if they’re spouting the propaganda, and trying to help them in their reasoning if they’re questioning things.
In all seriousness, we’ve got to make room for folks to return to sanity. When they have these “ah ha” moments we should take those opportunities to walk them back to reality.
All the “leopards/faces” jokes, while cathartic, aren’t really helping and encourage people to turn their backs on sanity for comfort.
Is there actual concrete evidence of any MAGAs “returning to sanity” over this stuff? As much as I’d love to be wrong, I’m skeptical that anyone still in the MAGA camp after the past 10 years could see this administration do any kind of heinous shit and not immediately dismiss it as false or rationalize it in a way that conforms to the party narrative. I think they’ve all been irreversibly brainwashed by Fox News and weaponized social media.
My brother gave up on Trump and voted for Harris last year. It can be done, but they have to choose to do it on their own, and antagonizing them just pushes them back to Trump even more.
The bigger problem is that MAGA now controls most of the media. For every MAGA that sees the light there’s some apathetic low-info genius who joins the cult.
We have to find a way to counter fascist media, and frankly I don’t know how we can do that when the moneyed interests are almost entirely, and unsurprisingly, on the side of fascism.
The guy in OP is a tankie, not MAGA. Though admittedly, they serve the same master from different directions.
That’s why “lib” is such a problematic term. It means literally anything based on who is speaking it.
I have pretty heavy judgement for people who have made it well into adulthood without bothering to engage with the reality of what they support.
However, always leave room for people who were raised in this crap. It takes serious time to deprogram and some people will do it at 16 and others might take until 26. I’m 31 and still deconstructing some of the repressive religious bullshit from my childhood even though I swing hard left politically (well past the Democratic Party) at 18. The brain doesn’t stop developing until 25, so at least give them some leeway until then to figure out what they really believe.
Is there any evidence mocking them and alienating them from our views helps? People leave cults after being in them for years, so it’s not like profound change cannot occur at any time.
I’ll always leave room for them, but I would still bet they will be fed their next set of talking points within the next 24 hours and be right back on board the crazy train.
That’s the real issue. If you have your fundamental beliefs shaken, you might reason through and come to a good, logical, moral conclusion. You might also do the cognitive dissonance thing and suppress the new revelation with bullshit. If, however, you have someone (faux news) right there with the cognitive dissonance spewing 24/7 and are in an echo chamber of others who are agreeing… well, it’s a good chance you’ll just accept the talking point and not question it.
Maybe the way to go about it is mocking them if they’re spouting the propaganda, and trying to help them in their reasoning if they’re questioning things.