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Spare yourself the trouble and just…
No tankies, no trans extremists, life is good over here 🤗
PS: I will obviously block any extremist right and conservative instances. I was just fortunate enough to not encounter any of them so far.
Hey look, a liberal that doesn’t like queer people! Who could’ve guessed :D
Hey look, a liberal that doesn’t like queer people! Who could’ve guessed :D
I dislike queer people so much that I [checks notes]… am upset that a queer person was harassed off of the Fediverse…?
I understand that transphobic people exist online.
We also need to recognize that being trans doesn’t mean that you’re incapable of being an asshole, engaging in cyberharassment or any other negative social behaviors that all people are capable of.
Much like OP, I’ve been attacked by these people for supporting trans people in a way that wasn’t popular (I.e. not brigading Twitch streamers and harassing children playing Legacy of Hogwarts). I saw a user banned for saying to donate to the Trevor Project instead of brigading and I spoke up in support of them.
I was banned for “transphobia”.
There are absolutely mods/admins using their power in trans social spaces to attack and purge people for no reason other than that they’re not fully aligned with whatever dogma the mod feels is correct.
I just don’t even try to interact anymore. There will always be some chronically online commenter or mod who wants to try to deconstruct your every word choice looking for an angle to accuse you of saying something outrageous.
Alienating allies and bullying people out of the community is toxic and wrong, regardless of your being a member of a minority group.
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I got called transphobe yesterday for pointing out that most mobile apps don’t show display names or profile pictures, meaning the person they replied to wouldn’t have had the same information they have.
They went a dozen comments deep with multiple users, screaming transphobe at every single person who disagreed with them.
Some people really need a bit of perspective on the situation.
I think I saw that exchange yesterday. Was it the person that absolutely freaked out over another user being called a male term? (I can’t remember exactly what it was, I want to say “son” but I don’t think that was it). I use Voyager and I don’t see profile pictures or even any descriptions on people’s profiles. I didn’t even know that existed until that person was freaking out and calling everyone transphobes for not knowing.
That’s the one.
Sometimes I just don’t understand human behavior.
See, that’s the thing. That’s not normal human behaviour. That’s disgusting antisocial trash. They’re exactly like the MAGA clowns just on the other end of the spectrum.
Touché. I’ve grown exhausted of people becoming so unhinged on the internet. I haven’t been on Lemmy long and was thinking most people seemed normal so far… But I guess you’re always going to end up coming across unhinged people eventually.
I think breaking peoples profiles is just a Voyager thing
(works fine on Eternity, Jerboa and Racoon)
Looks like they work on Thunder, just disabled by default
I use Boost.
I probably can enable display names and profile pics, but it’s mostly just clutter.
Idk how Boost handles it, but on Jerboa and Eternity it doesn’t make much of a difference whether it displays profiles properly or not
I’ll most likely be banned for this, but I guess they can support attack helicopters if they want. I just thought we were done with that joke over a decade ago, but it apparently only changed flavors.
They tried again with a drone themed username, and claiming the neopronoun “droneself”
I haven’t seen anything from that username recently though.
those users were banned long long ago
The main admin and several users expressed support for that very canard.
Up until that user shared private messages with Ada in a post. Then involved their “friend” (or rather an alt account) to apologise.
It was such a bloody mess.
If I made an alt and started calling myself a Flea BIsexual, do you think that they’d catch on?
Let them ban anyone they don’t like from their instance. Also, report or ban them when they abuse others on other instances. If it is a self-inflicted isolation, it will be fairly earned.
Self-defense is a universal right. Those who attempt to take away that right unavoidably become representatives of fascism. You never silence a voice that argues self-defense, you defeat its arguments (objectively and thoroughly).
Moving forward tentatively, it’s not about disengaging from a conflict. One needs to take a step back, use a method to clear their mind and view the situation without emotional attachment. Then attempt to solve the conflict into a acceptable or at least tolerable outcome. A conflict left unresolved will only fester into aggression and violence.
Simply moving on and allowing a perceived slight go unresolved does not work unless the objective solution found is to move on.
While the loss of a user is sad, people come and go. The better solution is to use the situation and apply the proper reports against those who target and abuse other users.
While the loss of a user is sad, people come and go. The better solution is to use the situation and apply the proper reports against those who target and abuse other users.
Tools like raising awareness of the behavior of a community and its admins?
I considered more in the vein of reporting the specific posts in question on their respective instances. Or using mod tools where available to ban problematic users from your own instances and communities.
But if you think it works, any solution you find should be sought. Even if it doesn’t lead to the expected results, fighting for a fairer environment is rarely a wrong thing to do.
Pugjesus, I’m not directing this at you, it’s more an opportunity to express this stuff when it isn’t coming up in a community where this discussion isn’t disruptive. This C/ is usually okay with discussion about the subject of a meme, so I’m taking the shot while it’s fresh in my mind.
Look, in an ideal setting, this wouldn’t be an issue because blahaj could wall itself off and be the trans dedicated space it needs to be.
Unfortunately, lemmy is not only difficult to use that way, but there’s still a need to interact with outsiders because there’s a war on. They need allies to have access, the users to be able to interact with other instances, and for trans people on other instances to be able to interact there.
They’re going to fuck up because there’s no way to make all of that work without admin oversight being high. There’s always going to be human error, biases, and outright moments of emotional decisions. It happens everywhere.
But we gotta be realistic here. When blahaj admins fuck up, they’re fucking up because they represent a populace that’s under attack from the outside and the inside. There’s a dozen topics that simply aren’t one sided, which means any of those topics needs judgement calls.
Those of us that aren’t blahaj users can STFU and mind our own when it comes right down to it, because it isn’t our space. That goes for me too, if I end up banned for something I say elsewhere. Our trans compatriots fucking deserve a space where they can work this kind of thing out, even if that means a lot of mistakes along the way.
And the admins of blahaj are making mistakes. So are some of the users. The questions are, what are those mistakes, which users, and how can there be an objective decision as to what’s the best path? I sure don’t have a right to decide those things for blahaj, so my opinions are essentially farting in the wind. All I can do is support the trans community as a whole, and hope that blahaj finds a balance that allows the users and admins to have a space that is as free of interference and hate as is possible in this fucked up world.
Now, while preemptive bans are a damn difficult tool to use well, they are a valid tool. I personally wouldn’t have used them in every case that’s shown up on the various C/s about mod/admin actions, but I also don’t have access to everything an admin would. There may be reasons I can’t see. But I would have used it in a few of those cases. I prefer preemptives to be a scalpel rather than a scythe, but sometimes you have to cut.
One of these days, I’ll finish up my thinking on the whole xenogender aspect of things, and maybe what I end up with as an opinion will get me banned from blahaj if/when I share it somewhere. If that’s the case, I’ll be sad because I genuinely love the people there, and I love the community. But if that’s what’s needed to keep that society community and those people able to have their own space in a world that’s trying to literally eradicate them, so be it.
Wars never happen without harm to real people, and a lot of the war against trans people is a war waged with words and ideas. So neutering the words of war being able to besiege the instance seems like a worthy strategy to me.
Unfortunately, lemmy is not only difficult to use that way, but there’s still a need to interact with outsiders because there’s a war on. They need allies to have access, the users to be able to interact with other instances, and for trans people on other instances to be able to interact there.
So they choose to alienate allies and drive around trans people on other instances from the Fediverse entirely for wrongthink?
That seems counterproductive.
They’re going to fuck up because there’s no way to make all of that work without admin oversight being high. There’s always going to be human error, biases, and outright moments of emotional decisions. It happens everywhere.
Okay, so when is it no longer acceptable? Is it decided that they just get a total pass for all behavior because it’s a trans-friendly space, so long as you’re trans in a way that agrees with the mob mentality? If you aren’t, of course, then you’re a transphobe and a fascist.
Those of us that aren’t blahaj users can STFU and mind our own when it comes right down to it, because it isn’t our space.
It seems that Blahaj doesn’t regard its space as having any borders.
Our trans compatriots fucking deserve a space where they can work this kind of thing out, even if that means a lot of mistakes along the way.
Apparently, not all trans compatriots are deserving.
And the admins of blahaj are making mistakes. So are some of the users. The questions are, what are those mistakes, which users, and how can there be an objective decision as to what’s the best path?
So, what, don’t criticize Blahaj, don’t point out anything negative they do, just let them do what they want because there’s no ‘objectively’ correct answer? That wouldn’t fly for any other community or admin team. Why here?
I sure don’t have a right to decide those things for blahaj, so my opinions are essentially farting in the wind. All I can do is support the trans community as a whole, and hope that blahaj finds a balance that allows the users and admins to have a space that is as free of interference and hate as is possible in this fucked up world.
And when the community on Blahaj harasses trans users off the Fediverse entirely for wrongthink? Is supporting Blahaj then supporting the trans community?
Now, while preemptive bans are a damn difficult tool to use well, they are a valid tool. I personally wouldn’t have used them in every case that’s shown up on the various C/s about mod/admin actions, but I also don’t have access to everything an admin would. There may be reasons I can’t see. But I would have used it in a few of those cases. I prefer preemptives to be a scalpel rather than a scythe, but sometimes you have to cut.
I think you’re going way out of your way to justify what you realize are, visibly, bad decisions.
Wars never happen without harm to real people, and a lot of the war against trans people is a war waged with words and ideas. So neutering the words of war being able to besiege the instance seems like a worthy strategy to me.
By waging a war of words against trans folk who don’t believe ‘correctly’ in other instances entirely?
What did I miss
I was in dbzer0 when I made some initial comments, in response to being called a transphobe (I contended that I was not a transphobe). I was banned by Ada, the Blahaj admin, for that. I then made a post on YePowerTrippingBastards (in dbzer0), being somewhat miffed that I was banned from another instance entirely, one which I don’t even use, for the crime of defending myself against accusations of transphobia.
The trans commenter who is leaving the Fediverse was banned, and again, this is for activity in dbzer0, by commenting on that post. They then made a post questioning the logic of that, and were subsequently accused of being a transphobe and a fascist for daring to object by Blahaj’s ‘brave’ defenders. The harassment was concentrated enough that they hit 100 comments in less than half a day and drove the trans user in question to leave the Fediverse entirely.
This is apparently a victory for the trans community. /s
nothing surprising
Nothing important. PugJesus got banned from Blahaj for gatekeeping and now they’re making post after post whining about it. Kinda sad honestly, they should get over it.
He’s still butthurt days later, and says he’s not offended or hurt. I just got back from seeing a movie with my family in the outside world. Fresh air. Maybe Pug can do that when he’s done saulking about online drama.
Maybe Pug can do that when he’s done saulking about online drama.
Don’t you have trans folk to harass or something?
Sorry that trans folk being harassed off this platform makes me angry. I know that’s not a very high priority to you and your ilk.
Nope, because I don’t do that, especially when they’re assholes to someone else. I don’t try to misgender Caitlin Jenner.
Nope, because I don’t do that,
You were literally involved in the thread, and said that everyone who didn’t like Blahaj was a transphobe.
I don’t harras trans women. Sorry I read the words you write through angry tears about online drama.
I don’t harras trans women
Now we’re denying that a user is trans, great.
Sorry I read the words you write through angry tears about online drama.
I can tell. Stop for a moment, grab a few tissues, clean up. It’ll help the blurriness.
Not to mention they ban you and call you transphobe for calling out misinformation or voicing your opinion about injustice unrelated to transsexuals, and with zero undertones of trans hate.
transsexuals
that term is inappropriate and hurtful. We are trans people as it has nothing to do with sexual preferences. So please don’t use it, ok?
Wow, this really emotionally affected you. Honestly, I would just turn off the computer and walk away, but being as this appears to be some mix of ego hurt and hurt feelings, I’m guessing I’m gonna be reading about this for a minute.
Honestly I wish you would just drop it and move on with your life. I wouldn’t want to be a part of a community that didn’t want me, and you are clearly unwanted.
Honestly I wish you would just drop it and move on with your life. I wouldn’t want to be a part of a community that didn’t want me, and you are clearly unwanted.
I’m literally not part of the community. I haven’t posted there in forever. I found the fact that they dogpiled and bullied a trans user for wrongthink on another instance entirely, calling them a transphobe and a fascist, revolting.
Really, are you sure they weren’t acting in a facist way? Honestly your butt is so hurt you can see it from space.
Really, are you sure they weren’t acting in a facist way?
… yes. I am sure. The thread is literally linked in the OP.
Honestly your butt is so hurt you can see it from space.
… Jesus Christ.
I agree. How many posts are going to be made regarding this topic? This one seems totally redundant.
I agree. How many posts are going to be made regarding this topic? This one seems totally redundant.
How horrific that one post was made about Blahaj users bullying a trans user off the Fediverse. Clearly, this topic is oversaturated.
Almost like the real motivation is just apologia for harassing trans folk who disagree with Blahaj.
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The more discussion I see about trans people, both for and against, the less tolerance I have for all of it. I’m becoming both anti-trans and anti-cis. Just let people live they way they want, and try to respect it up to some reasonable level of effort. The whole gender thing is bs in the first place.
Anti trans and anti cis? So you just hate everyone?
I think that was their point, that the topic of trans rights/life/culture/whatever-you-want–to-call-it being auch a popular, contentious subject is driving them to dislike everyone involved. I can certainly understand how seeing a topic again and again when you don’t personally care about it can engender (hehe) negative feelings. I don’t really understand not caring about this, though. Maybe they just don’t have any trans friends/relatives, and that lack of personal connection lets them remain aloof from the issue. Maybe they’re just a jerk (doesn’t seem like they are, though). Who knows.
Reposting this when the admin is prowling other instances to seek reasons to ban people who don’t even use her instance, and then bully trans folks who disagree with them in the process to the point of driving them off the Fediverse entirely, calling them transphobes and fascists, is what you give a ‘thumbs-up’ to?
I’m not really surprised.
They aren’t driving you off the fediverse, they just don’t want you near them. Take the hint.
They aren’t driving you off the fediverse,
I’m not the trans user who was bullied.
they just don’t want you near them.
Would you like to note all the instances I’ve posted to in, say, the past 3 months? All of them. Go ahead.
You’ll notice I’m not anywhere near Blahaj.
Cool, why are you the one posting about it then?
And to your second point then stop fucking complaining. they dont want you near them. That’s all the ban is. Stop whining you can’t spread your ideology to people that have settled the matter amongst themselves.
Cool, why are you the one posting about it then?
“Why are you horrified by a trans user being bullied???”
Yeah, that’s about what I expected.
And to your second point then stop fucking complaining. they dont want you near them.
I wasn’t near them. But apparently defending myself from accusations of transphobia on another instance entirely is a serious crime.
They weren’t bullied, they were shut down for have transphobic views.
If they left the fediverse over being told to stop being transphobic, that’s a good thing. Someone’s gender or sexuality isn’t a shield to abuse others.
Fuck that was fast.
PugJesus hates being called out, sends downvote squads.
sends downvote squads
lmao
Imagine being this paranoid.
You’re the one saying Blahaj has squads of downvotes anytime someone disagrees with the hive. I’m using your tactics against you to see how silly you sound.
You’re the one saying Blahaj has squads of downvotes anytime someone disagrees with the hive.
As usual, you display what is either a dire paucity of basic literacy, or a total disregard for basic integrity. Like how you were correctly at least three times on whether a situation was about pronouns and chose to, continually and with total disregard for what was plainly said, say that it was, not as a counterargument, but simply restating the position in the hopes that repetition would convince anyone skimming the conversation.
I’m using your tactics against you to see how silly you sound.
Well, I’m glad you think I’m as influential on the Fediverse as an entire instance, but I assure you that I’m not.
Boot-flavored Kool-aid
