It’s not like you can use that time freed by automating gear shifting for something else.
It’s a tool, yes, but personally, I like having more control over tools I use. I’d choose a cordless drill that I can set the torque control myself over one that doesn’t have that option.
It doesn’t free up time no but it does make driving ever so slightly less involved.
Controls on a drill have a clear practical purpose, and to my knowledge they don’t make them that do that automatically in a reasonable price range.
I would totally buy that if they did. ;-)
I totally understand people who like the whole ritual of the manual car. Hell, that’s how I feel about music making. But there’s something to be said for just getting something to happen without much effort.
Just because you need to learn something additional does not mean driving a manual requires more effort in any substantial way. Its more effort than 0, but it is not taxing or hard to drive a manual when you are used to it. I do not think about pushing the clutch in or shifting, I just do it.
I will say dont ever drive a manual if you will be in stop and go traffic for long periods of time regularly though. Im personally never in it.
Pretty much every consumer in every auto market agrees with you. There are downsides to manual, you can grind a transmission’s gears to dust in a couple of days if you do it wrong, you really can’t trust someone to drive your car at all, you are much more actively driving, so you’re paying more attention, but you’re also more stressed, if you’re in bumper to bumper traffic, you will have to do the most difficult aspects of driving every few seconds to inch along for a half hour or more and that’s REALLY shitty, if you need to stop on any kind of hill, you have to be aware your gonna need half a car length or more to get into gear where your just going to be falling down that hill while you convince yourself you don’t need to panic and you will catch the gear before you’re past the point of no return. You get better mileage, you get better control, you pay attention more, you focus more, but it’s not all roses, the risks usually aren’t worth it for modern car buyers.
your gonna need half a car length or more to get into gear
my arsehole just clenched tight for any car you’ve ever driven. eugh. you let a car fall back half a car length before the biting point? that’s literally a ton of pressure on it. you’re way better off giving too much gas and too little clutch than letting the car fall half a length backwards bro. the former will perhaps stress your clutch slightly but it won’t fuck with your gears like the latter
Soo… that means you had room behind your car, so you we’re never forced to learn how to do it without letting the car move.
Try an uphill start with shitty winter tires in traffic when the car barely stays still with your brakes on while you’re stopped at a 30 degree incline in lights.
You learn that it’s better to slightly antagonise the clutch (we call it “pissing” the clutch, but “bullshitting” would be a more accurate translation as per the meaning of “kusettaa”.) So youre sort of “cheating”, but what you can’t do is let the car move backwards.
Not only does it make it way worse for the gearbox, it also ruins your chances at having traction in a scenario such as I described.
In Finland you literally have to spend a day on slippery course before getting your permanent licence. It’s ice and water in the winter and oil and soap in the summer. And there too, the instructors may be like, “hey stop here on this uphill.”
Also, whenever doing conscription and driving military trucks in a convoy, you really can’t let the vehicle fall half a length.
That’s just bad driving.
I’m sure you’re a good manual driver… for an American.
if you need to stop on any kind of hill, you have to be aware your gonna need half a car length or more to get into gear where your just going to be falling down that hill while you convince yourself you don’t need to panic and you will catch the gear before you’re past the point of no return
My shitty Toyota Aygo has a hill start assist thing and it works very well. Basically when you release the brake at 0 km/h it holds it for a few seconds or until you reach the slip point of your first gear. Also handbrake start is right there in the OP, (and a mandatory part of drivers ed over here)
You’ll never catch me doing something that can be automated away, this includes shifting gears in a car.
But a car is just a tool to me, like a cordless drill, so i’m sure I don’t get it.
As a programmer, I am more than happy automating a task for which I will never recoup my automation time investment.
It’s the principle of the thing.
as a senior programmer (with limited, valuable time), i exercise good judgement before wasting weeks on unused automations.
“measure twice, cut once” as the craftsmen used to say. or YAGNI
It’s not like you can use that time freed by automating gear shifting for something else.
It’s a tool, yes, but personally, I like having more control over tools I use. I’d choose a cordless drill that I can set the torque control myself over one that doesn’t have that option.
It doesn’t free up time no but it does make driving ever so slightly less involved.
Controls on a drill have a clear practical purpose, and to my knowledge they don’t make them that do that automatically in a reasonable price range. I would totally buy that if they did. ;-)
and by making driving less involved, we free up drivers to play on their phones while going 70mph down the highway. progress!
Yeah. People in a manual definately don’t ever do that.
I totally understand people who like the whole ritual of the manual car. Hell, that’s how I feel about music making. But there’s something to be said for just getting something to happen without much effort.
Just because you need to learn something additional does not mean driving a manual requires more effort in any substantial way. Its more effort than 0, but it is not taxing or hard to drive a manual when you are used to it. I do not think about pushing the clutch in or shifting, I just do it.
I will say dont ever drive a manual if you will be in stop and go traffic for long periods of time regularly though. Im personally never in it.
Pretty much every consumer in every auto market agrees with you. There are downsides to manual, you can grind a transmission’s gears to dust in a couple of days if you do it wrong, you really can’t trust someone to drive your car at all, you are much more actively driving, so you’re paying more attention, but you’re also more stressed, if you’re in bumper to bumper traffic, you will have to do the most difficult aspects of driving every few seconds to inch along for a half hour or more and that’s REALLY shitty, if you need to stop on any kind of hill, you have to be aware your gonna need half a car length or more to get into gear where your just going to be falling down that hill while you convince yourself you don’t need to panic and you will catch the gear before you’re past the point of no return. You get better mileage, you get better control, you pay attention more, you focus more, but it’s not all roses, the risks usually aren’t worth it for modern car buyers.
my arsehole just clenched tight for any car you’ve ever driven. eugh. you let a car fall back half a car length before the biting point? that’s literally a ton of pressure on it. you’re way better off giving too much gas and too little clutch than letting the car fall half a length backwards bro. the former will perhaps stress your clutch slightly but it won’t fuck with your gears like the latter
like a chinese burn vs a broken bone
I mostly drove manual in a very mountainous geography.
Soo… that means you had room behind your car, so you we’re never forced to learn how to do it without letting the car move.
Try an uphill start with shitty winter tires in traffic when the car barely stays still with your brakes on while you’re stopped at a 30 degree incline in lights.
You learn that it’s better to slightly antagonise the clutch (we call it “pissing” the clutch, but “bullshitting” would be a more accurate translation as per the meaning of “kusettaa”.) So youre sort of “cheating”, but what you can’t do is let the car move backwards.
Not only does it make it way worse for the gearbox, it also ruins your chances at having traction in a scenario such as I described.
In Finland you literally have to spend a day on slippery course before getting your permanent licence. It’s ice and water in the winter and oil and soap in the summer. And there too, the instructors may be like, “hey stop here on this uphill.”
Also, whenever doing conscription and driving military trucks in a convoy, you really can’t let the vehicle fall half a length.
That’s just bad driving.
I’m sure you’re a good manual driver… for an American.
Starting on a slope isn’t particularly hard, you have to make use of the handbrake
somebody failed to read the meme i guess, it’s literally right there
Not saying you’re wrong in general but
My shitty Toyota Aygo has a hill start assist thing and it works very well. Basically when you release the brake at 0 km/h it holds it for a few seconds or until you reach the slip point of your first gear. Also handbrake start is right there in the OP, (and a mandatory part of drivers ed over here)