The advice isn’t about reducing the number of Teslas. It’s about helping someone get out of owning one. Also, that money doesn’t go to Elon, it goes to the seller, so to some people, they might consider that part a wash.
What’s wrong with owning one? Its a car and we can assume the owner has a need for it (obligatory “Fuck cars!”). It’s the buying of one with the knowledge we have now that is the issue.
Edit: I see a few downvotes so I must have said something wrong. What am I still not understanding?
It’s also an overpriced “luxury” vehicle, a terrible one with a boatload of recalls and recurring design issues. How long before we consider owning one to be like owning a Daewoo or Pinto?
We’ve also known what their CEO is about for a while now. Years in fact. And that same CEO is dismantling the US government and killing people with his actions. I think a lot of us see it this way: If someone still owns one, they get to “own” that they own it now.
So like what if you bought it used? That doesn’t profit the manufacturer, and there’s no way you’d be able to tell just looking at it.
I understand the frustration with Musk, but to sell the car someone else has to buy it and then that buyer is going to be bullied. I don’t think the frustration is being focused on the right thing here. Go protest or spend that time calling or writing to your representatives instead.
I agree the infighting is not helpful. I also think that we currently can’t use traditional bargaining and protest tools to effectively punish or otherwise shame those in power into concession. In this case, Musk is an oligarch who owns companies, like Tesla. People are shaming owners of these vehicles and pressuring them to sell because that is a very tangible way to hurt the oligarchs in our country, by hurting their purse. It’s the only thing they care about. It will either help lead towards concession, or ultimately wipe out the power they have. I think this is a form of solidarity, and those who care about that will go out of their way to distance themselves from the oligarchs who oppress us, including when trading or buying within our own class.
As much as you may not be into cars, for a significant amount of people they’re seen as a status symbol and part of someone’s identity. It may match a persons style or lifestyle choice.
If you are seen to be driving one others may believe you side with Elon musk and his radical political shift. You may also disagree with him so much you may not want to daily something that benefits him overall.
It may go deeper than that. If I owned a Tesla, driving it around would be, in my mind, free advertising for Tesla and, by extension, Elon.
I have zero interest in throwing him or his company even the most ephemeral of bones, so I would personally find a sticker to be weak protest.
ETA: if you bought a Tesla car before his rapid mental decline into alt-right fascism, that’s one thing. But cybertrucks and new Teslas are after, and owning one is saying at best, “Yeah, he’s a technofacist, but I don’t really care if my money props up his ketamine-fueled destruction of societies.”
This ignores the fact that selling the car does not remove it from the universe. It’d be better to have a liberal with anti Elon stickers driving it than a nazi, don’t you think?
No, I don’t. It’s free advertising for a fascist. Who is driving it doesn’t matter; people should look at every Tesla with derision and treat doing business with his company as taboo. People driving them should feel uncomfortable about their proximity to a fascist.
I would love to crush every Tesla and have the company go bankrupt, but try recommending that to someone in a list of actions. That’s why it’s not included.
If enough people try to get rid of their Teslas the Used value will crash and bring the New value even further down.
That was observed when Elon in his brilliance secured the Hertz deal and then slashed new Tesla prices. Leaving Hertz no choice but to dump their inventory.
The sell off from Hertz hurt the used value because it was a large supply of “We just want out, we already lost money on these”
I read it as a funny, polite, “fuck you”. It’s only going to piss someone off who bought a Tesla as a sign of status and is still a fan of Elon Musk. Everyone else will see it either as helpful but misguided or will get the joke.
Cars are worth what someone is willing to pay. More used cars on the market means lower prices means fewer new cars are purchased. The biggest drop in value on any car (bigotry aside) happens at mile 1 when you drive it off the lot. But manufacturers love scarcity when there is high demand, so some manufacturers explicitly forbid buyers from selling their cars (Tesla and Ferrari are the only ones I know of, but there may be more.) If you want one, you must buy it new, and you better buy it quick because it won’t last. They don’t want buyers leaving the lot and shopping around, they want to create an atmosphere of panic and exclusivity.
Fortunately, they cannot enforce the requirements that you don’t sell your car. What they can do is refuse to sell you another one, which Ferrari is famous for doing. With Tesla, if you’re selling because you don’t want to be associated with Nazis, you’re not going to care if the Nazis won’t sell you another car. Yes, you’re probably selling to another Nazi, but most people cannot afford to simply abandon or scrap a functioning* car on principle. Selling is the next best thing, as it undercuts the aura of scarcity, drives the price down, and reduces the number of new cars sold.
Previous owners that gave money to Musk can distance themselves from him, while new owners that believe Teslas are good can buy one without giving money to Musk.
I’m in the market for a car and there is an amount of money I would spend for a used Tesla despite the potential for vandalism etc. I don’t think there is an amount of money I’d spend on a new one
I honestly don’t understand what selling it does though. The same amount of teslas are still on the streets. Please help me understand.
It may reduce new sales
If everyone wants to sell and nobody wants to buy, the used price will go down.
If used teslas in good condition are dirt cheap, there’s no point buying a new one.
If nobody wants a new Tesla, there are fewer Teslas entering the streets.
More important for your last point, it hurts Musk’s value. Most of his wealth is in stocks. Make those drop in value and he has less wealth.
The advice isn’t about reducing the number of Teslas. It’s about helping someone get out of owning one. Also, that money doesn’t go to Elon, it goes to the seller, so to some people, they might consider that part a wash.
You realize that if someone sells their Tesla, while they no longer own one, someone else does, right?
The point is crashing the market value of used Teslas, thereby reducing new sales as people will be more incentivized to buy used.
What’s wrong with owning one? Its a car and we can assume the owner has a need for it (obligatory “Fuck cars!”). It’s the buying of one with the knowledge we have now that is the issue.
Edit: I see a few downvotes so I must have said something wrong. What am I still not understanding?
It’s also an overpriced “luxury” vehicle, a terrible one with a boatload of recalls and recurring design issues. How long before we consider owning one to be like owning a Daewoo or Pinto?
We’ve also known what their CEO is about for a while now. Years in fact. And that same CEO is dismantling the US government and killing people with his actions. I think a lot of us see it this way: If someone still owns one, they get to “own” that they own it now.
So like what if you bought it used? That doesn’t profit the manufacturer, and there’s no way you’d be able to tell just looking at it.
I understand the frustration with Musk, but to sell the car someone else has to buy it and then that buyer is going to be bullied. I don’t think the frustration is being focused on the right thing here. Go protest or spend that time calling or writing to your representatives instead.
The working class infighting is not the way.
I agree the infighting is not helpful. I also think that we currently can’t use traditional bargaining and protest tools to effectively punish or otherwise shame those in power into concession. In this case, Musk is an oligarch who owns companies, like Tesla. People are shaming owners of these vehicles and pressuring them to sell because that is a very tangible way to hurt the oligarchs in our country, by hurting their purse. It’s the only thing they care about. It will either help lead towards concession, or ultimately wipe out the power they have. I think this is a form of solidarity, and those who care about that will go out of their way to distance themselves from the oligarchs who oppress us, including when trading or buying within our own class.
As much as you may not be into cars, for a significant amount of people they’re seen as a status symbol and part of someone’s identity. It may match a persons style or lifestyle choice.
If you are seen to be driving one others may believe you side with Elon musk and his radical political shift. You may also disagree with him so much you may not want to daily something that benefits him overall.
Right so an anti Elon sticker should suffice. So now the smart owner is out $1, not thousands.
It may go deeper than that. If I owned a Tesla, driving it around would be, in my mind, free advertising for Tesla and, by extension, Elon.
I have zero interest in throwing him or his company even the most ephemeral of bones, so I would personally find a sticker to be weak protest.
ETA: if you bought a Tesla car before his rapid mental decline into alt-right fascism, that’s one thing. But cybertrucks and new Teslas are after, and owning one is saying at best, “Yeah, he’s a technofacist, but I don’t really care if my money props up his ketamine-fueled destruction of societies.”
This ignores the fact that selling the car does not remove it from the universe. It’d be better to have a liberal with anti Elon stickers driving it than a nazi, don’t you think?
No, I don’t. It’s free advertising for a fascist. Who is driving it doesn’t matter; people should look at every Tesla with derision and treat doing business with his company as taboo. People driving them should feel uncomfortable about their proximity to a fascist.
I would love to crush every Tesla and have the company go bankrupt, but try recommending that to someone in a list of actions. That’s why it’s not included.
Hah. Actually you’ve still lost thousands because no one wants those shitboxes.
Because elon bad all cybertrucks must be defaced and their drivers hung - at least that’s the sentiment I’m seeing around here lately
You do realize what community you’re in, right?
So? I said what I said lmao
Alright. Clearly it bothers you that people don’t like fascists or fascist supporters. Why is that?
That’s an interesting leap in logic for sure
If you buy from a fascist, guess what you are implicitly supporting?
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If enough people try to get rid of their Teslas the Used value will crash and bring the New value even further down.
That was observed when Elon in his brilliance secured the Hertz deal and then slashed new Tesla prices. Leaving Hertz no choice but to dump their inventory.
The sell off from Hertz hurt the used value because it was a large supply of “We just want out, we already lost money on these”
I read it as a funny, polite, “fuck you”. It’s only going to piss someone off who bought a Tesla as a sign of status and is still a fan of Elon Musk. Everyone else will see it either as helpful but misguided or will get the joke.
Cars are worth what someone is willing to pay. More used cars on the market means lower prices means fewer new cars are purchased. The biggest drop in value on any car (bigotry aside) happens at mile 1 when you drive it off the lot. But manufacturers love scarcity when there is high demand, so some manufacturers explicitly forbid buyers from selling their cars (Tesla and Ferrari are the only ones I know of, but there may be more.) If you want one, you must buy it new, and you better buy it quick because it won’t last. They don’t want buyers leaving the lot and shopping around, they want to create an atmosphere of panic and exclusivity.
Fortunately, they cannot enforce the requirements that you don’t sell your car. What they can do is refuse to sell you another one, which Ferrari is famous for doing. With Tesla, if you’re selling because you don’t want to be associated with Nazis, you’re not going to care if the Nazis won’t sell you another car. Yes, you’re probably selling to another Nazi, but most people cannot afford to simply abandon or scrap a functioning* car on principle. Selling is the next best thing, as it undercuts the aura of scarcity, drives the price down, and reduces the number of new cars sold.
Previous owners that gave money to Musk can distance themselves from him, while new owners that believe Teslas are good can buy one without giving money to Musk.
I’m in the market for a car and there is an amount of money I would spend for a used Tesla despite the potential for vandalism etc. I don’t think there is an amount of money I’d spend on a new one