Yeah, no. Any claim has the burden of proof. If you say, “there is no god,” then it is absolutely on you to show your work. If you say, “I do not accept the claim that there is a god,” that requires no proof because it’s not a claim. This is basic logic.
You’re absolutely wrong. You cannot prove a negative. In a strictly logical sense it’s the person making the positive claim that is required to show proof. A negative claim can only ever be strongly inferred.
I agree that negative claims cannot be proved, but that is actually a completely separate point t and doesn’t just give free reign to anyone to make any and all negative claims without the burden of proof. If I claim there is no universe, it’s still true that the burden of proof is on me and that I cannot prove my claim. Both are true.
Yeah that is true. It’s not free reign to make a negative claim and skip out. But it’s also true that religion relies on an unprovable thesis. So asking anyone to prove they aren’t real is a bit ridiculous.
Technically true, but it’s childishly easy to disprove almost any god as defined by popular religions. It’s easy because the followers make it easy, with their claims of action.
“Just pray and God will always reveal himself”
Well, that’s easy then. I did A, B didn’t occur, so obviously this god as defined doesn’t exist. Of course, most religious people will immediately walk back their claims if you do this, but that’s basically them changing their definition of god.
Yeah. Even as a kid I understood God as having free will too and sooo many religious people treat their God(s) as a service transaction. Like they’re the customer and they paid in prayer. Which is ridiculous. This all powerful being is supposed to be attentive to you personally?
Yeah, no. Any claim has the burden of proof. If you say, “there is no god,” then it is absolutely on you to show your work. If you say, “I do not accept the claim that there is a god,” that requires no proof because it’s not a claim. This is basic logic.
That’s actually not how claims work, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell’s_teapot
You’re absolutely wrong. You cannot prove a negative. In a strictly logical sense it’s the person making the positive claim that is required to show proof. A negative claim can only ever be strongly inferred.
I agree that negative claims cannot be proved, but that is actually a completely separate point t and doesn’t just give free reign to anyone to make any and all negative claims without the burden of proof. If I claim there is no universe, it’s still true that the burden of proof is on me and that I cannot prove my claim. Both are true.
Yeah that is true. It’s not free reign to make a negative claim and skip out. But it’s also true that religion relies on an unprovable thesis. So asking anyone to prove they aren’t real is a bit ridiculous.
Technically true, but it’s childishly easy to disprove almost any god as defined by popular religions. It’s easy because the followers make it easy, with their claims of action.
“Just pray and God will always reveal himself”
Well, that’s easy then. I did A, B didn’t occur, so obviously this god as defined doesn’t exist. Of course, most religious people will immediately walk back their claims if you do this, but that’s basically them changing their definition of god.
Yeah. Even as a kid I understood God as having free will too and sooo many religious people treat their God(s) as a service transaction. Like they’re the customer and they paid in prayer. Which is ridiculous. This all powerful being is supposed to be attentive to you personally?