• snooggums@lemmy.world
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    You are conflating ignorance of something existing (lack of knowledge) with lack of evidence despite many attempts to prove something exists (failure to find evidence to support something or finding evidence it is actually something else).

    Let’s take a myth that something causes something else, like say vaccines cause autism. What is initially an “I don’t know for sure” turns into a “no they don’t because all tests show zero causation or correlation” which doesn’t prove that they don’t directly but does prove that they don’t by evidence not supporting the claim. Religions have claimed for millennia that deities exist but there has never been any proof and when tested scientifically all of the claims have been disproven by showing the actual causes of ‘miracles’ and other signs.

    We know a lot of ‘alternative’ medicine is not effective because there is no proof that it is effective, because you can’t prove a negative. Your approach means we have to be agnostic about literally everything because we can’t prove that anything exists either as we might all be in a simulation!

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      It’s not about lack of knowledge, everyone lacks some knowledge. Rather, it’s about noticing and acknowledging if you don’t know.

      The ignorant says he knows, when he doesn’t; he is unaware of his lack of knowledge.

      Somone who says ‘I don’t know’ is aware of his lack of knowledge.

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      If you think the scientific method claims knowledge then you may be misunderstanding it. It is a way of constructing the best model we have of the universe, until a better one comes along to replace it. That means it is always evolving in light of new evidence and research, and any current model we have is almost certain to be wrong in some ways. We should act on the best model we have, but that is very far from claiming knowledge and true certainty.

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        We should act on the best model we have, but that is very far from claiming knowledge and true certainty.

        Prove that we should do that.

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          This way leads to brain in a vat theory and the impossibility of knowing if other beings has consciousness

          It’s a simple tautology that following the best model has the highest chance of success in achieving the goal you modeled. The real difficulty is in figuring which that model is, thus the scientific method

        • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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          Prove that we should do that.

          You’re currently typing on a machine that came from this method. Although maybe that’s not quite the support I thought I was…