But I will say that this model of yours that says people do these things because they are stupid or “dumb” might help you cope emotionally, but it prevents you from reaching any genuine insight.
I’m not the person you were responding to but I just wanted to make perfectly clear that you are 100% full of shit.
It doesn’t give anyone ANY measure of “cope” that so many people are fucking stupid. Its terrifying, despairing, and awful. I would rather delusionally believe I could convince them of rational stances, now that would be cope.
You should probably… idk, actually read what they said.
Treating everyone you disagree with like they’re stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they’ve written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.
Yes, approaching discourse this way and believing that you can achieve any kind of middle ground is delusional.
I can unequivocally say that anyone entertaining the idea of Canada as a state as a good idea - is a fucking tool. Yeah I’m going to write that off. There’s no middle ground with people too dumb to realize they would be much worse off in that scenario.
Treating everyone you disagree with like they’re stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they’ve written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.
You don’t know fuck all how much I’ve done precisely that. I obsessively debated various political and economic ideologies for like a straight decade of my life in invite-only forums specifically designed for such debate. I changed my own mind over time, and changed other people’s minds. I’ve done it.
But I promise you, the people supporting these ideas proposed by the Trump administration are not just stupid, but WILLINGLY IGNORANT for their own selfish purposes. The amount coursing hatred I feel for them burns like the accretion disc of a quasar.
They are not people I would bother to debate. They are quite literally just my enemy. Mortal enemies. I don’t want middle ground with them. I want something else.
I just wanted to say kudos for actually explaining your position. It’s too easy to make assumptions about what people are saying over text, and a lot of debates end badly because someone decides the other is malicious or willingly/willfully ignorant before they’re even given the opportunity to explain their reasoning.
I 100% agree there are some people that are beyond reasoning with. Their brain is locked in to emotional, irrationally habits, and changing such a fundamental point of view is painful. On the other hand though, I think it’s worthwhile to try and understand their behaviors and what life experiences contributed to their world view. How else can we expect to better educate ourselves and future generations?
Just FYI, it’s wilfully ignorant, not “willingly ignorant”. Not that it matters, but I can see you were trying to make a point but it kind of fell apart at “willingly”. Sorry, I accept my downvotes with dignity. Making comments like this is a thankless job, but someone’s got to do it.
trying to make a point but it kind of fell apart at “willingly”
To me this seems like a pretty minor grammatical error that does nothing to detract from the point being made.
You’re welcome to correct it, but to me it feels analogous to getting distracted by a smudge on the page when reading a letter.
I’m not the person you were responding to but I just wanted to make perfectly clear that you are 100% full of shit.
It doesn’t give anyone ANY measure of “cope” that so many people are fucking stupid. Its terrifying, despairing, and awful. I would rather delusionally believe I could convince them of rational stances, now that would be cope.
You should probably… idk, actually read what they said.
Treating everyone you disagree with like they’re stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they’ve written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.
Yes, approaching discourse this way and believing that you can achieve any kind of middle ground is delusional.
I can unequivocally say that anyone entertaining the idea of Canada as a state as a good idea - is a fucking tool. Yeah I’m going to write that off. There’s no middle ground with people too dumb to realize they would be much worse off in that scenario.
You don’t know fuck all how much I’ve done precisely that. I obsessively debated various political and economic ideologies for like a straight decade of my life in invite-only forums specifically designed for such debate. I changed my own mind over time, and changed other people’s minds. I’ve done it.
But I promise you, the people supporting these ideas proposed by the Trump administration are not just stupid, but WILLINGLY IGNORANT for their own selfish purposes. The amount coursing hatred I feel for them burns like the accretion disc of a quasar.
They are not people I would bother to debate. They are quite literally just my enemy. Mortal enemies. I don’t want middle ground with them. I want something else.
I just wanted to say kudos for actually explaining your position. It’s too easy to make assumptions about what people are saying over text, and a lot of debates end badly because someone decides the other is malicious or willingly/willfully ignorant before they’re even given the opportunity to explain their reasoning.
I 100% agree there are some people that are beyond reasoning with. Their brain is locked in to emotional, irrationally habits, and changing such a fundamental point of view is painful. On the other hand though, I think it’s worthwhile to try and understand their behaviors and what life experiences contributed to their world view. How else can we expect to better educate ourselves and future generations?
Just FYI, it’s wilfully ignorant, not “willingly ignorant”. Not that it matters, but I can see you were trying to make a point but it kind of fell apart at “willingly”. Sorry, I accept my downvotes with dignity. Making comments like this is a thankless job, but someone’s got to do it.
To me this seems like a pretty minor grammatical error that does nothing to detract from the point being made.
You’re welcome to correct it, but to me it feels analogous to getting distracted by a smudge on the page when reading a letter.