Is the Lemur better or Framework 13 a better fit for gaming?
I’m not triple a gaming, but playing up to like, Skyrim would be nice.
I was on System 76 for two laptops. The most recent one, a Lemur, started to fall apart: the plastic hinge just started coming off in chunks, and the clamshell began to split. Customer service was terrible: they tried to get me to agree to charges without explaining what they were going to charge me for. When I pressed them (which took repeated emails) they finally admitted they wanted to send me a part for me to do a replacement without any instructions, and which they advised people not to do. Very scammy vibes. I picked up a Framework instead and have been really enjoying it, though I can’t really speak to the gaming portion I’m afraid. I’d just say avoid System 76.
I had both, Framework hands down.
Framework is better hardware, having physically touched both S76 and Framework laptops.
Previous System76 owner here - Switched to Framework for my second laptop. Yes, System76 contributes upstream to Linux, but Framework is just better. My System76 needed a fan replaced and it was lowkey annoying - Paid over 150$ to have it done; such an upgrade is much easier on the Framework (not to mention the customization lets you get exactly what you need and pay for nothing more)
Same tbh. Framework just works. And they do contribute back, just perhaps not as much specifically to Linux. Open source hardware is so incredibly valuable and important and rare. Honestly, if I had to choose only based on how much is contributed back, I’d still pick Framework.
Framework is upgradeable. The S76 isn’t.
Fw.
Bought the 1st Gen, it had issues with power management, but I pulled the board and put it in one of their cases and threw in a 7840u, it’s a monster and just slays.
Their new Gen has discrete GPUs as an option if you have more money than sense.
My brother bought a Framework 16 recently with the discrete GPU on my recommendation and it was not silly pricing. Mobile workstations with discrete graphics and comparable specs in that size class were all $2000USD or more and the Framework was maybe 15% higher. Well worth it for the intentional repairability and upgradability.
I have a 16 with a discrete GPU. Couldn’t recommend it more. It does sound like a rocket ship sometimes, but performs like a midrange tower, which is exactly what I wanted.
If you’re just looking for older games like Skyrim, the Framework 13 AMD is a beast. Especially if you get the new AI 300 chipset.
I haven’t used any Framework systems, so I can’t really give a proper comparison. I have owned two S76 laptops, a now-ancient Lemur Pro I bought back in 2017, and just recently, a Pangolin I just picked up a few weeks ago. I haven’t really had a chance to put the Pangolin through its paces, but it does have AMD-based 3-d acceleration built in. The old Lemur (and the new lemurs) only have basic Intel graphics.
I was able to use my old Lemur for some very light gaming. I think last time I was traveling, I was able to play Football Manager and Fallout Shelter quite successfully, but Lord of the Rings Online was just a bit beyond its capabilities. I would assume that Skyrim would definitely be beyond the Lemur’s reach.
It looks like the F13 does have some amount of built-in 3d acceleration, so just looking at specs I would expect it to do better than the Lemur. Lemur’s got a slightly larger display, but neither are very big. The rest of the specs look like they can vary quite broadly depending on your order so that makes the rest a bit hard to compare fairly.
Like I said, I’ve never even seen a Framework laptop in person, so I can’t give a hands-on comparison. I can say that I’ve been very pleased with my experience with System 76. If you’re looking at S76, consider the Pangolin. It’s only a little bit larger than the Lemur, the price is pretty close, and it comes with more capabilities.
edit-to-add: Whatever you pick, I hope you will come back and tell us how it turned out.
You sound like me lol. I had a lemur first snd upgraded to a pangolin a few years ago. I do a lot of gaming on my pangolin, but mostly indie games. Per Aspera, parkitect, firewatch, stuff like that. It will play Valheim but it’s a little choppy on low.
I expect the latest version of the pangolin would run better. Not only is it a much improved APU, it looks like it has vastly improved cooling.
I don’t know anything about system 76, but I don’t have the graphics card upgrade on my FW16. Lots of games I can’t play
Yeah, I don’t expect to play a lot of things but 99% of the time I’m playing some 2D indie game. Everyone once in a blue moon I like to replay the TES series
