The country’s so-called political centre has licensed a new era of authoritarianism – to the AfD’s delight, says Hanno Hauenstein, a Berlin-based journalist
Germany are not the moral bastions you are portraying them as. Calling human rights supporters terrorists while you cosy up to genocidal regimes is plainly dishonest.
Sorry but why do they keep using hamas’ triangle symbol if they don’t support hamas?
Employees reported that they were asked to leave their offices in English that was difficult to understand and under threat of violence. People who did not comply were physically attacked
No, 1. Likud and Otzma are. Israel absolutely deserves a better government.
2. I never said that. However there are a lot of protesters at these protests who don’t shy away from putting Hamas in a positive light and push antisemitic narratives. Also there has been many instances where neonazi actors have attended pro-Palestine protests and werent ousted.
3. So it is bad faith when I disagree with you?
However when you support their government militarily and diplomatically, you support their ethnic cleansing.
Regarding your last point, it is clear that that Germany finds certain speech so offensive that the people saying it should be jettisoned from the county. Yet Germany lends significant support to a state whose behaviour is literally deadly. To take issue with the former while supporting (or even ignoring) the latter is pure hypocrisy.
We are simply asking you to differentiate between the Israeli state and the Israeli government. It is absolutely okay in Germany to be against Netanyahu/Likud/Otzma/the current ruling government of Israel. But the issue is that you generalize Israel as a whole which includes it’s people. No one here is against Palestine. People here are against Hamas, but it seems even being against Hamas gets people downvoted in this thread, which is not okay.
I delete your comment since your account is 2 hours old and we had to deal with another sock puppet in this thread already. And we need no 100x times repeated Goodwin’s Law here.
I will delete this comment within 1 hour if you are not going to:
Accept that the state Israel (or country Y) and the Israeli government (or government Y) are not the same. Please edit that part of your comment concerning that fact.
Please add sources for the following part of your comment: “People are being deported with no charges other than protest itself. There are countless articles detailing this.” Or delete that part of your comment.
Please link the comment you are refering to while stating that TanteRegenbogen supported “Executing children and UN peace workers with their hands tied behind their backs” If you are not able to, delete that part of the comment.
If I already deleted that comment, here it is for more context for people who haven't seen it before it got deleted.
Those are the current Israeli state so you’re playing with semantics.
People are being deported with no charges other than protest itself. There are countless articles detailing this.
It’s bad faith to define any criticism of a genocidal regime as “antisemitism” (or hate speech, as you call it).
Zoom out a little and see what you’re defending:
“Hate speech” ❌
Executing children and UN peace workers with their hands tied behind their backs ✅
Your argument is that a country is at least as dangerous as a terrorist group but if I said Palestine as a nation is as dangerous as the IDF, you’d be up in arms saying I cant make sweeping generalizations about Palestinians. Think about that.
All those articles leave out the critical details that those protesters are accused of committing crimes. Meanwhile there are a number of German language articles that say that they arent at risk of deportation just because of protesting.
It is anti-semitic to generalize the entire populace of Israel and be against it’s existence.
Where did I do that? Hate speech includes anti-Palestinian and anti-Israeli narratives.
I am not defending that. And you accuse me of arguing in bad faith?
Arguing against the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians (which I’ve yet to hear you take issue with) does not equal arguing the same for Israel. “Never again” was supposed to be for everybody, regardless of their religion, skin colour etc.
Israel’s head of state himself has been found guilty of committing crimes. You cannot ask for rule of law against one group and support another lawless group. Thank about that.
Again, don’t put words in my mount. As you know well, I did not say that.
Until there is an end to the genocide, acting passively supports the greater aggressor.
I never said that. You however generalize Israel and don’t differentiate between the people and the government. You don’t argue that way about Palestine, but say Hamas are the baddies. Why don’t you leave that double standard and just argue against the Israeli government and the IDF leadership?
You both a starting to entangle yourselfes in a never ending comment fight. I now allow you to post one more comment per person among my comment right here and after those comments I will start delete any comment you might further post in this thread. This does not affect the rest of the comment section, only this thread.
Personal note: I think you both are not as apart regarding your opinion as you might think. Write a conclusion, stop fighting, find something to agree on.
So this is a huge fallacy. Yes, they allow it - they just censor your ability to say what you want freely. By creating decency laws you can keep people snitching on each other, this just allows an in for exploitation.
Difference? Germany is small and can rationally govern their people. Yet for some reason, it wants to know your private messages.
Stop fighting over petty lines that do not even define you, and if they do - I am sorry the material realm has captured the value of your contentment.
Hamas supporters are not human rights supporters though, that is absolute. Hamas is a terrorist organization - it is currently the hired lot of goons to wage against Israel. Israel however has been so antagonistic and down-right evil enough so that the Palestinians invite an agent of change.
Especially when Hamas was propped up by Israel, even with it being the bigger instigator of the Palestinian provisional governments.
Germany are not the moral bastions you are portraying them as. Calling human rights supporters terrorists while you cosy up to genocidal regimes is plainly dishonest.
Germany doesn’t allow hate speech like the US does. And Hamas arent human rights supporters.
Sorry but why do they keep using hamas’ triangle symbol if they don’t support hamas?
Berliner Zeitung
traumatizing random employees, great way to protest /s
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No, 1. Likud and Otzma are. Israel absolutely deserves a better government. 2. I never said that. However there are a lot of protesters at these protests who don’t shy away from putting Hamas in a positive light and push antisemitic narratives. Also there has been many instances where neonazi actors have attended pro-Palestine protests and werent ousted. 3. So it is bad faith when I disagree with you?
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The state Israel and the Israeli government are not the same.
Please be more specific about what you are referring to. I haven’t seen any commenty of TanteRegenbogen defending that.
However when you support their government militarily and diplomatically, you support their ethnic cleansing.
Regarding your last point, it is clear that that Germany finds certain speech so offensive that the people saying it should be jettisoned from the county. Yet Germany lends significant support to a state whose behaviour is literally deadly. To take issue with the former while supporting (or even ignoring) the latter is pure hypocrisy.
I guess you’ve read my more specifc comment and will do your best to do what I asked you for.
We are simply asking you to differentiate between the Israeli state and the Israeli government. It is absolutely okay in Germany to be against Netanyahu/Likud/Otzma/the current ruling government of Israel. But the issue is that you generalize Israel as a whole which includes it’s people. No one here is against Palestine. People here are against Hamas, but it seems even being against Hamas gets people downvoted in this thread, which is not okay.
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I delete your comment since your account is 2 hours old and we had to deal with another sock puppet in this thread already. And we need no 100x times repeated Goodwin’s Law here.
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Thank you.
I will delete this comment within 1 hour if you are not going to:
Accept that the state Israel (or country Y) and the Israeli government (or government Y) are not the same. Please edit that part of your comment concerning that fact.
Please add sources for the following part of your comment: “People are being deported with no charges other than protest itself. There are countless articles detailing this.” Or delete that part of your comment.
Please link the comment you are refering to while stating that TanteRegenbogen supported “Executing children and UN peace workers with their hands tied behind their backs” If you are not able to, delete that part of the comment.
If I already deleted that comment, here it is for more context for people who haven't seen it before it got deleted.
Zoom out a little and see what you’re defending:
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Username checks out xD
Why don’t you want to use your real account, my dear?
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Your argument is that a country is at least as dangerous as a terrorist group but if I said Palestine as a nation is as dangerous as the IDF, you’d be up in arms saying I cant make sweeping generalizations about Palestinians. Think about that.
All those articles leave out the critical details that those protesters are accused of committing crimes. Meanwhile there are a number of German language articles that say that they arent at risk of deportation just because of protesting.
It is anti-semitic to generalize the entire populace of Israel and be against it’s existence.
Where did I do that? Hate speech includes anti-Palestinian and anti-Israeli narratives.
I am not defending that. And you accuse me of arguing in bad faith?
You both a starting to entangle yourselfes in a never ending comment fight. I now allow you to post one more comment per person among my comment right here and after those comments I will start delete any comment you might further post in this thread. This does not affect the rest of the comment section, only this thread.
Personal note: I think you both are not as apart regarding your opinion as you might think. Write a conclusion, stop fighting, find something to agree on.
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Please link sources for that statement.
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/landespolitik/pro-palaestina-demos-querdenker-extremisten-neue-allianzen-100.html
https://www.t-online.de/region/koeln/id_100297236/demo-in-koeln-islamisten-putin-fans-und-rechtsextreme-fuer-palaestina.html
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So this is a huge fallacy. Yes, they allow it - they just censor your ability to say what you want freely. By creating decency laws you can keep people snitching on each other, this just allows an in for exploitation.
Difference? Germany is small and can rationally govern their people. Yet for some reason, it wants to know your private messages.
Stop fighting over petty lines that do not even define you, and if they do - I am sorry the material realm has captured the value of your contentment.
Hamas supporters are not human rights supporters though, that is absolute. Hamas is a terrorist organization - it is currently the hired lot of goons to wage against Israel. Israel however has been so antagonistic and down-right evil enough so that the Palestinians invite an agent of change.
Especially when Hamas was propped up by Israel, even with it being the bigger instigator of the Palestinian provisional governments.
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