• SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Okay, so give me an actual real communist country where LGBTQ people are treated well and as equals.

      the nazis were actually socialists it’s in the name

      What the fuck

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        What the fuck

        that’s exactly what you’re doing.

        an authoritarian calling his dictatorship the leftist thing doesn’t make it the leftist thing, it just makes it part of a pattern of the power hungry intentionally co-opting of leftist ideas to gain popularity.

        As for the first question, if you had followed the conversation at all or bothered reading any of the information I linked you would be able to answer that yourself, and I’m done doing the work for you, if you care, make your own effort to find out.

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          that’s exactly what you’re doing.

          Huge difference. While the authoritarianism stage is not the end goal of Communism, Marx himself believed it was a necessary step. It is entirely reasonable on the topic of political theory to reference Leninism as Communism because it is a defined characteristic of one of the stages of a long-term Communist plan. Even though there is an implicit dream of a utopian future where that behavior stops, the behavior is still intentionally defined in the process. As a formal part of the process, there is an explicit pursuit of authoritarianism.

          That said, there may be people who think communism can be achieved without the authoritarianism stage… But I think the “ACAB” statute needs to apply. Until Communists come out in open and extreme opposition to “Dictatorship of the Proletariat”, they must be judged to be at the very least complicit.

        • SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world
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          that’s exactly what you’re doing.

          Really? Point it out to me where I said nazis are socialist. I’ll wait.

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        https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/zapatistas-gay-rights-let-those-who-persecute-be-ashamed

        The Zapatistas have organized a net of interconnected communes in Southern Mexico that have operated independently from the Mexican state since 1994. In these communes, productive property is held in common by the inhabitants. There are no employers or employees. Difference in wealth is negligible. Governance is achieved via participatory democracy. It is as close as you can get to communism when you’re still forced to trade with capitalists and thus use money.

    • Aux@lemmy.world
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      Nazis were socialist. It’s not a card, it’s a fact.

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        By definition, socialism is social ownership of the means of production. Social ownership can be public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee, depending on which brand of socialism you are interacting with.

        I don’t see “totalitarian dictatorship” as a form of social ownership and I imagine most people alive wouldn’t either.

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          He’s just a full-on troll. He told me in another reply that socialism is “things like Holocaust”.

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        Nazism was a fascist regime. They were not “socialist” in any real way.

        Here is an unbiased explanation of the facts of the discussion. (Encyclopedia Britannica)

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          They were full on socialists. Things like Holocaust are bread and butter of that kind.

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                You know, if you’d opened with that line, instead of a completely fictional line about a Fascism being literally socialism, you might have made more friends from the start.

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                    Understood. So you’re making shit up to scare people away because you want to be left alone. Have at it. You know it’s easier to do that by just not going on social media.