Yes even Bernie

  • Noam_Parenti@lemm.eeOP
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    2 days ago

    To be clear, I’m not dunking on Bernie or AOC. Their intentions might be in the right place.

    I’m saying the system will only allow so much muckraking. The ruling class ultimately determines who is on your ballot in the first place.

    Then you have the list of other problems like first past the post voting, voter ID laws (poll tax), gerrymandering, the electoral college, and the fact that electorates are not legally required to vote the way their representatives vote in the election.

    • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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      “To be clear, I’m not dunking on Bernie or AOC.”

      Not for lack of trying. You failed in mischaracterizing and insulting Sanders because I proved how baseless each of your accusations and assumptions are here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/35914985/17933545

      “Their intentions might be in the right place.”

      There’s no “might” about it, as I pointed out in the same comment.

      “I’m saying the system will only allow so much muckraking.”

      And rivers are only so wide. Profound.

      “The ruling class ultimately determines who is on your ballot in the first place.”

      Realizing your earlier error(“…by design”), you are now just less accurately paraphrasing my prior comment:

      "the design was for anyone to be able to enter politics in the US. At a local level, this is still largely possible.

      Corporate backing determining higher-level political outcome is a recent consequence of Citizens United, the ruling by the US Supreme Court that allowed unlimited political funding by the wealthy. That ruling is a corruption of the US political process, not “by design”."

      Thanks for backtracking, but pretending you were saying something different than you were before is disingenuous and irritating.

      You were wrong about the US electoral process, or charitably, you misunderstood and mischaracterized it.

      Your diagram is simplistic and fundamentally flawed.

      You made up blatantly false and consistently vague accusations about Sanders and the US electoral system at large.

      I corrected you on these points in earlier comments.

      That’s that.