Nice. That’s got to be one of the most simple and elegant comebacks I’ve seen in a long time. But also: Themselves? To paraphrase Tyson, “Everybody’s got a plan until a woman knifehands them in the throat.”
How the fuck are so many random internet people buying blue checkmarks? Depressing as fuck that this blatant money grab/propaganda tool from a right wing asshole worked so well with no negative consequences.
Consumerism.
Who would you prefer to meet in the woods? a hexbear or a human?
Jesus people, why are Hexbears so scary? I’m not so in the loop.
Probably because bears are tanky. Hexbears, especially so.
Was the Reddit version of this community like this with people coming in to ‘both sides’ the conversation? I don’t think it was like this. Lemmy has a real problem with people just not caring about what the community is before they come in to drop their hot their hot takes. I’ve even seen people go into [email protected] to complain about people posting about Reddit. I mean, come on.
As for that 18% of violent crimes being committed by women stat, that still means 82% of the perpetrators were men, so that’s hardly the pwn it was made out to be. It’s grasping at straws to keep ignoring that there’s any problem.
I’ll also just leave this here:
Lemmy has a real problem with people just not caring about what the community is before they come in to drop their hot their hot takes.
I believe that this is a symptom of lemmy’s relatively small size. Individual communities aren’t as active, so you have to cast a wider net if you want to see fresh content.
I know that I browse “all” here far more than I ever did on Reddit.
I like to think of most interactions as gender-less on Lemmy. I don’t want to assume who I’m talking to.
Typical male attitude /s
I think that the motivation behind it is very simple: no one gives a shit about what I go through, why should I give a shit what you go through?
I’m not saying it’s right, but there is a twisted logic to it and there are certain societal factors at play that do make it seem true (like young boys being much more likely to be suspended or expelled from school).
Again, I’m not saying we should stop fighting for women’s rights — rights for one are rights for all. I’m just saying, understanding instead of trivializing will be what leads all of us out of this mess.
We all understand “fuck racism,” “punch nazis,” and “fuck fascism” but for some reason when it comes to sexism and incel culture it becomes “let’s coddle them.”
You can’t just declare an entire gender incel/sexist and not expect backlash from the righterous kind of people. Why is everyone surprised when people become outraged just because they get labeled just for being a certain gender?
I’m a man, and I’ve never been accused of being an incel. If you are being accused of it a lot, maybe look somewhere other than your gender for the cause?
Bingo
Ironically no. The first and last time I got accused was by a welder friend. Like, I didn’t even imply I hate women, I just didn’t want to search for a date outside some very specific places, and I lost the motivation to interact with people since. Why does not wanting to drown in pussy 24/7 make you an incel? He just went off on me, throwing random insults because I hang out with furries, and have some very left wing opinions that he does not like.
Lol. Wow yeah, for example, white anti-racists sure get pissed off when the focus is white people in discussions about racism. Except they don’t. For some reason incels are extra sensitive and in large numbers on Lemmy.
That’s the tricky thing. Incels tend to react and oust themselves, so any pro-male argument gets labeled as well, incel. Would be hilarious if it where not horrifying, because there’s “final solutions” being suggested for men. Similar to what is happening with Israel labeling anyone arguing against their genocide as being anti-semitic, using their victimhood to get away with whatever they want.
Having said that yeah, even I had a lot of bad experiences with men as a man. I don’t want to hear your “grab her by the pussy shit”, most of my misanthropy comes from my male friends and family downplaying my problems as insignificant. We aren’t talking about mere pain, or not being able to get some luxury. We are talking permanent, unfixable things I am worried about, things that are essential to me, getting downplayed. They want me to sell out who I am, and be happy with their pointless material decadence. Then, they call me a fucking pussy for not wanting to fall into that trap. I hate this sick, psychopathic world, it deserves nothing!
Forgive me if I’m wrong but it sounds like you aren’t angry at the world, you’re angry at people. I’d be willing to bet you love the natural world, and hate people for denying that they’re a part of a cycle that we all share. For claiming godhood whilst piously masquerading. Burning Eden while God sleeps.
I wouldn’t blame you, if that’s the truth. There are many people who deserve to be hated. The issue with hate, though, is that it’s very toxic. Righteous hatred begets genuine, blind hatred. You won’t even realize that you’re hating things that don’t even really deserve to be hated, simply because they might be tangentially associated with things you justifiably hate. They may not even be associated, it could just be that it reminds you of something you hate — and thus you hate it.
I don’t know what the path out of this mess is for all of us, but it begins and ends with hate. We either learn to put aside the hate or it will immolate all of us from the inside out. This is our only real option. I’m sorry you’ve experienced it, I hope the experience changed you to understand that we’re all in this together. Even the people you hate.
It’s probably because 50% of the population doesn’t identify as racist or as a Nazi.
No, clearly all of us do not understand what those things mean. If that were true, the U.S. wouldn’t have shifted further and further towards fascism over the past 60 years.
I meant the overwhelming majority of us on Lemmy but I should have been more precise saying that.
It’s just All Lives Matter again isn’t it? They don’t care, they just want you to stop talking about it.
Man here. It took me a lot of therapy and help to understand that my (or someone’s) suffering doesn’t mean less just because there are a lot of others who are suffering more.
I used to say crap like this too, if someone said ‘X group of people have this problem’. I’d be like ‘but Y has the same problem but to higher extent’. I didn’t say it out of malice, at least I don’t think so. lt was natural to think ‘how can you be complaning about X when Y has the same problem but more’. Maybe I just believed that first you address the problem with bigger statistical number, then we do the smaller one after that and so on, but I dont know. I know now, that is a shitty way to think about things.
I guess it has something to do with how I was raised, ‘your problems aren’t that great, there are people with bigger problems and in comparison your life is a luxury. So chin up and carry on’. And I lived by it and parroted the same rhetoric for a long time. I believe most people (men?) do the same not out of malice but because of this shitty view of life and the world, because how they were raised, because how people told them how their problem can be ignored because someone else has a bigger problem. and they don’t know any better. At least I didn’t for a long time.
How can you be so selfish as to go on such a rant when there are starving kids in Africa?
Well, I have developed the attitude that people are for nothing as a result. I love my cat, and chat with AI. I really really try to minimize how much I get things from others, and don’t want to get help from them. I also developed a more selfish view of the world, because it is unfair that I should go out of my way to help those that would watch blankly as I die in some accident, that can’t give the bare minimum of fucks.
Maybe after like 99.999% of the population dies out, the rest will be treated as a lot more valuable, and will actually be treated as people. I really do believe that it is a “supply and demand” problem, and that the more people there are, the less each becomes valuable. We are like locusts. When there is too many locusts and not enough food, we start to “cannibalize”. This has become a cannibalistic society, where you draw value from destroying instead of creating (think how bad the finance sector really is for everything else. It’s just services, scams, predatory practices and so on).
I kinda wish I didn’t get your point of view, but I do. I have to work hard to not go where you are, because then I would lose all hope and self-distrust.
Finding your found family is hard, but it can be possible. I’ve only just really found some and it has made such a difference. I wish you luck.
In other words: don’t change the status quo, it’s all good. I think most of us were raised like that, and it’s a load of bs; in reality that’s how things slowly get worse for all, or we can continuously make many small bets striving for good so things get better.
I think he only expressed the symptoms, not the solution. So he is not saying it can’t be fixed. He was “fixed” (by life, I guess).
My idea of a solution is helping each other to express sentiments. If you feel bad the reaction can’t be “man up” but “how can I help you”.
The only time you meet plants rights advocates is every time someone mentions animal ethics.
Akcshually, if men didn’t exist 100% of violent crimes would be committed by women. Mafs.
I think it’s partially due to the relatively small population and quantity of posts. Anecdotally, I never browsed r/all, but that’s my primary mode on Lemmy. I usually don’t notice the community a post belongs to unless someone brings it up.
Maybe that will change with time.
So just to clarify, when you start talking about a subject, you don’t want us to chip in with anything relevant. OK, got it.
And I think it’s rather sexist of you to assume we’re always thinking about football. If we assumed you were always thinking of housework we’d be it some right hot water.
I can’t speak for individual women or women on the whole. Therefore, I could be totally wrong here. My guess is the point is violence against men is not always relevant when talking about violence against women. Sometimes the topic is just violence against women, and yet violence against men still is brought up.
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It’s been my experience that women protect me from men.
The bear, obviously.
the one in the woods, of course
Bears lol
That 1 gorilla
Save the Gorillas by Turning Them Into Bodyguards For Women
Say his name. Harambe. flop
Female bears with no cubs to protect, practically docile.
Are you willing to test that theory ?? Of course not
I can. And have. They’re like golden retriever level of chill without cubs around. The black ones atleast.
Anything for science
Go ahead
Okay first we need to get rid of all males, not sure I’m gonna survive this part of the experiment.
You’re talking to an incel btw.
Say what you want about the tankie instances, but they have none of the gross MRA incel shit on display in this thread.
MRAs are not incels
*whom
I’m getting a similar kind of aneurysm reading the “bUt NoT aLL mEn” comments here as I get when I browse conservative subreddits
Remember the bear clusterfuck? Lemmy is pretty bad in this regard.
If you draw your community from Redditors you’re going to inherit Reddit problems, aka poorly socialized nerds.
Oh I’m sorry. Let’s exterminate all men, that’s what they get for being born the wrong gender. Is that better?
Anyone corrected her grammar to whom* yet?
Did you just assume their gender??!?
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What a clown show. All of them ready to pull crazy stats and make themselves out to be victims, exactly how racists make up and distort statistics.
All of them start their posts with “but I just dunno… it’s not really fair to generalize men… I mean, women are actually more violent than men… I just… idk… 👉👈🥹 … ackyshually men are the victims… 🥺…”
So fucking pathetic.
I wonder why they come here, lemmy is essentially anti-cuckservative.
incels are not exclusively conservative. many things are not as simply black and white as you might think.
State’s rights energy.
Spiders
Came to say spiders.
Unless women learn to bring them outside and release them on the lawn… Then Im fucked.
I’m already there. I’ll let you take care of the house centipedes forever though.
naivety is an option
Holy strawman.
Well yes, because there would be no human race at all.
Women don’t need men to reproduce.
If you believe the virgin Mary…
Women could clone each other. Also ‘no men’ probably doesn’t exclude all people capable of providing sperm. So I think if they were to mysteriously disappear we’d be ok.
While speaking about this theoretical scenario, have you ever thought that men exist for their own sake, in their own world, and don’t care about what you would like. Maybe if enough people get together, we can build an entirely segregated society so that we never meet again. That would be perfect, because we don’t exist for you, and many of us don’t care about you, and have no reason to.
To be honest I did kind of forget about people’s will to live. But in this theoretical scenario I also don’t see how it’s relevant. It’s not like I implied we intentionally remove men from this world. The way I described it nobody had a choice in the matter.
I never said it was good not to have men, just that it’s possible to live without them which was denied by the original statement I replied to.
Yesn’t it’s complicated. But yeah, it’s possible in theory. But having children in this world in the first place is also unethical. You are forcing a new human to into a post-empathy world, where they will be exploited ruthlessly, only for AI to just replace them, and leave them to die through no fault of their own.
