You focused on the notion of state versus nation (what the screenshot talk about).
The nation of France exists since centuries and have never been reset by any war or change of leadership.
We didn’t reset our identity as Franc(ais) because we updated our government system (we iterate it several time and will continue probably soon by another version).
Sometime it’s monarchy, sometimes it’s republic. Depend on what happens to us.
But the nation of Franc(e) started to exists when Clovis Ier merged several kingdoms at around the 500 AD. We learn that in history class when we are young and learn about our history (for those interested: wiki).
Using one of the government iteration of a nation to say: it’s no more, let’s reset everything is missing the point of the global message.
Does the usa reset when updating its constitution?
The concept of the US as a country is not very old
it’s true that there has been a country called “France” for hundreds of years longer than the US
Yes, the notion of France as a country is older than the US. But the French Republic is not. The institutions change, the country endures. The US is a young country but its institutions are surprisingly old. That’s the whole fucking point.
I see your point now. If you focus on the “republic” creation, yes. USA is older than France republic by few years.
But, please, don’t tell me the original writer had that in mind. He/she is talking about nation. And, for example, a monarchy (our previous gouvernement state beforethe first republic) is a valid nation definition.
No, I did not say that. I said most European states are very young by comparison. And I made it very clear that this is not the same as saying that the country is very young. The American state is very old; the country is very young. Read more carefully next time.
Edit: While I’m not going to smear an entire country’s education system based on the reading comprehension of one person, I do think that your accusation of “American exceptionalism” does get frighteningly close to (or is) an example of reactionary “nobody is special-ism”. Every country has interesting history tidbits and is special in its own way and I don’t think dismissing things with the thought-terminating label of “American exceptionalism” is particularly fair.
Well it’s true English is not my native language so we could miss some intricate details of your message. But please, don’t enter into the education system discussion. For your sake :)
Nop, nop nop.
You focused on the notion of state versus nation (what the screenshot talk about).
The nation of France exists since centuries and have never been reset by any war or change of leadership.
We didn’t reset our identity as Franc(ais) because we updated our government system (we iterate it several time and will continue probably soon by another version).
Sometime it’s monarchy, sometimes it’s republic. Depend on what happens to us.
But the nation of Franc(e) started to exists when Clovis Ier merged several kingdoms at around the 500 AD. We learn that in history class when we are young and learn about our history (for those interested: wiki).
Using one of the government iteration of a nation to say: it’s no more, let’s reset everything is missing the point of the global message.
Does the usa reset when updating its constitution?
Did you even read the god-damn comment?
Yes, the notion of France as a country is older than the US. But the French Republic is not. The institutions change, the country endures. The US is a young country but its institutions are surprisingly old. That’s the whole fucking point.
I see your point now. If you focus on the “republic” creation, yes. USA is older than France republic by few years.
But, please, don’t tell me the original writer had that in mind. He/she is talking about nation. And, for example, a monarchy (our previous gouvernement state beforethe first republic) is a valid nation definition.
Yeah… I was like, so you think most European countries are less than 100 years old because rulers changed, or some piece of paper changed? WTF?
Certainly a display of American exceptionalism, and education.
No, I did not say that. I said most European states are very young by comparison. And I made it very clear that this is not the same as saying that the country is very young. The American state is very old; the country is very young. Read more carefully next time.
Edit: While I’m not going to smear an entire country’s education system based on the reading comprehension of one person, I do think that your accusation of “American exceptionalism” does get frighteningly close to (or is) an example of reactionary “nobody is special-ism”. Every country has interesting history tidbits and is special in its own way and I don’t think dismissing things with the thought-terminating label of “American exceptionalism” is particularly fair.
Lol. You’re the one changing the meaning of words and applying unfounded nuance to a Xitter comment by someone who is most likely an idiot.
But please do continue grandstanding on that hill.
Well it’s true English is not my native language so we could miss some intricate details of your message. But please, don’t enter into the education system discussion. For your sake :)