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the framing of generative ai as ā€œtheftā€ in popular discourse has really set us back so far like not only should we not consider copyright infringement theft we shouldn’t even consider generative ai copyright infringement

who do you think benefits from redefining ā€œtheftā€ to include ā€œmaking something indirectly derivative of something created by someone elseā€? because I can assure you it’s not artists

okay I’m going to mute this post, I’ll just say,

if your gut reaction to this is that you think this is a pro-ai post, that you think ā€œnot theftā€ means ā€œnot badā€, I want you to think very carefully about what exactly ā€œtheftā€ is to you and what it is about ai that you consider ā€œstealingā€.

do you also consider other derivative works to be ā€œstealingā€? (fanfiction, youtube poops, gifsets) if not, why not? what’s the difference? because if the difference is actually just ā€œwell it’s fine when a person does itā€ then you really should try to find a better way to articulate the problems you have with ai than just saying it’s ā€œstealing from artistsā€.

I dislike ai too, I’m probably on your side. I just want people to stop shooting themselves in the foot by making anti-ai arguments that have broader anti-art implications. I believe in you. you can come up with a better argument than just calling it ā€œtheftā€.

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    While I’m on this soapbox, making AI art doesn’t make you an artist any more than commissioning an art piece does. There is literally no difference between telling the AI what you want it to draw, and telling a human what you want them to draw. You are not an artist, you are a client.

    Except humans are smart and can fill in the blanks of what you mean when you tell them to draw a picture. You don’t need any skill because the artist is skilled.

    The slop generators are dumb af, massaging them to produce good results is definitely a skill. They aren’t good enough to fill in the blanks like a human artist and it’s up to the prompt generator to convince it to draw something that doesn’t look like shit.

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      I will concede that you can be a skilled prompt generator. It is still not the same thing as producing art yourself.

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        I think it’s art-adjacent, what we should find is that actual artists are going to be better at generating good prompts.

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          I don’t believe that last part is necessarily true. I looked into prompt wizardry a bit and it gets oddly complicated. Like trying to convince a monkey’s paw to actually fulfill your real wish with no bullshit.

          It didn’t seem like the sort of stuff I or better artists I know would pick up naturally.