I’ll agree to it, but best I can do is 2 hours a day dawg
The Americans and their piss poor labor laws, They like working beyond the point of diminishing return.
Embracing? This is been the reality for many startups for a long time. Same with many game devs and animation studios too. Many technical jobs grind their staff despite being the most profitable industries. It is almost like the more money you make, the more you abuse your staff.
I thought “996” meant 9 hours on Monday, 9 hours on Tuesday, 6 hours on Wednesday, then a 4-day weekend.
That sounds pretty sweet.
I kept pushing my previous employer for a midnight-8pm Saturday, and a 4AM-midnight Sunday shift, but couldn’t get them to approve it. 40 hours a week, 5-days off.
Couldn’t get them to approve it.
Say no to 72 hour work weeks. Working more hours does not increase quality of work or even quantity, but is does increase stress and suicide rates. Stop accepting it’s OK to be ground into dust just so you can barely earn a living. Tell those CEO’s to take their jobs and shove it, especially in Sililcon Valley. That place is no longer the pinnacle of technological innovation it was in the late 90’s. It’s been nothing but a guilded shithole bastion for technocrats.
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I avoided this issue by embracing the completely non-controversial “become a contractor” work schedule. When you’re a temp they specifically want you NOT to work overtime without prior authorization - because they have to pay for it. And as a software dev I was always treated identically with employees, except for a few special things like some company meetings and offsite events - which I didn’t want to attend anyway. And I got paid almost twice as much hourly than I would as an employee. Sure, I had to buy my own health insurance and didn’t get paid time off, but when you double your salary those are non-issues. But what about job security? LOL what about layoffs? My job security was that there are always contract jobs everywhere.
Good, keep those freaks away from the rest of us.
People are stupid, they have whole nature around them, but they are killing it to create computers and escape the planet.
That’s sad.What’s really sad about it is that most of the shit they believe is complete sci-fi bullshit and they won’t build a super-intelligence nor escape the planet no matter how much of their finite time they pump into these futile efforts.
why are they working so much, they don’t do anything
Silicon Valley Workforces Embracing Controversial ‘Kill The Asshole CEOs’ Strategy
The founders can do all the 996 they want, but if they want to have their employees do the same, they should offer a fair share of the company at least.
Sorry, best we can do is offer a .00001% stake and pretend like it’s your ticket to early retirement.
You are not kidding. I have some experience with startup stock options and… it’s not pretty.
Before anyone retorts with remarks about “phantom stock” and other similar offers, I want you to do some math.
Figure out what the ‘strike price’ of that stock is likely to be when it matures, and calculate what the payout will be. Then figure out capital gains tax and subtract that. Divide what’s left over by the amount of unpaid overtime (hours in excess of 40 a week) you’re going to put in for the maturation window. Lastly, compare these figures to other testimonials in your field, and also, look up typical yearly bonus figures for more mature companies. You’re going to see that it’s not a lot of cash for the extra time, that it’s nowhere near your base pay rate, and more established companies are going to do a better job of compensating folks for less effort. You may even find that with a 996 grind-set, it might pay out less than taking a second job at retail.
I can also warn you that if the company sells instead of going IPO, you may get a much smaller payout than all that. I was in a situation where they threw the advertised strike price in the trash, and negotiated a sale of everyone’s stock to the buying company for much, much less.
That’s ok, they can promise more with no intention of ever paying it because there’s a special privileged ‘preferred’ stock that the bigger investors and executives get that’s prioritized for sales and dividends before anyone else’s.
known as “996,” or 9 am to 9 pm, six days a week. In other words, it’s a 72-hour work week
Tl;dr
I’d consider it for:
- The right job
- The right money
But it’s going to have to be the kind of job I would put in those kinds of hours for free, and get paid at least triple what is reasonably expected.
I would not.
yeah, i don’t think a job exists where i could sustain that for any period of time before my inevitable mental and physical collapse.
Maybe it’s age talking but I’m at the point where my goal is the job that pays me the most for the least amount of time spent working.
I’m much happier working my “845” (8am-4pm 5 days a week, ideally less) and then being done so I can spend as much time enjoying my life.
fuck that
So many studies say this will lead to far less productivity for anything remotely knowledge work, especially over a long period.
Meanwhile smarter companies are going to a 4 day work week. https://www.investopedia.com/four-daywork-week-study-success-11777896
It honestly blows my mind how these “leaders” get paid billions of dollars to run their companies into the ground because they have no fucking clue how real humans operate.
Nothing to do with productivity. It’s all about small dick energy CEOs wanting to validate and underline their self-perceived superior status. “How dare the little people work as little time as me?”
Yeah they’re not going for productivity, they’re an AI company. They just want the appearance of it to juice up their valuation or to stroke an executive’s ego.
So many studies say this will lead to far less productivity for
anythingremotely knowledgework, especially over a long period.How an MBA read this.
Would you like to work nearly double the standard 40-hour week?
Maybe in the USA. It is 37.5h where I am.
known as “996,” or 9 am to 9 pm, six days a week. In other words, it’s a 72-hour work week.
Fuck off.
Sign up to that shit and you are part of the problem. Fuck that.
People making 400k… Sure kinda makes sense for a few years but they want to every 150k worker to do the same and thats what this shill slop is about
Every time I’m on Lemmy someone scoffs at many times the most I’ve ever made in a year. I make about 30-35k a year. 😂
Uh… Just saying… you (or others reading) need to think in much bigger numbers for that extreme of a schedule… Entry level devs at FANG make around that amount of money… and we didn’t work nearly that many hours at the office…
Entry level makes 400k?
For the absolute bottom rung, not exactly 400k, but around there. Also depends on the city and team.
The main point is that if you’re gonna work a 996, you better be making at least $1M/year or more (honestly probably more, I tend to undershoot salaries) for it to be worth it. Otherwise, just get a normal FANG job if you only want to make $400k (lower end for FANG).
Can you post a link this 400k entry level job?
Total package including signing bonus stock
More like $200k in total comp (but I suppose if the stock rockets like 5x after you’re hired, it can end up being $400k). Senior positions can make > $400k/yr in total comp. Some companies have back-loaded vesting schedules so they can get rid of you before the majority of your options vest though.
I would like to see the data set where you pulled this anecdote from. This starting number for annual comp is not supported by any publicly available data for entry level in any meaningful quantity.
