There’s been a lot of speculation around what Threads will be and what it means for Mastodon. We’ve put together some of the most common questions and our responses based on what was launched today.
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I made a mistake, it was Fosstodon. They told Meta to fuck off. https://hub.fosstodon.org/assets/images/meeting-with-meta-email.webpMastodon is 100% a competitor to #Meta, and if I were #Mastodon, I would watch my back since everything Meta does is only for the benefit (or the endgame is) for themselves and their market share. Best case scenario would for Meta to extinguish Mastodon and have everyone go to #threads.
I do not understand why Mastedon is downplaying the very likely scenario of Meta EEE’ing the shit out of ActivityPub once they get people to migrate to Threads
Whelp, time to pack up I guess. Mastodon is the biggest player in the fediverse right now, so if Meta EEE’s us then the fediverse as a concept is doomed.
We have the foreknowledge of seeing EEE happen with XMPP/Google Chat, now. We can fight back against EEE against ActivityPub as it actually happens, with instances defederating with Meta and so on, when they start actually taking those negative actions. It’s gonna be fine.
Can we actually fight back, though? most of the people using the Fedi are on Mastodon, primarily coming from places like Twitter and Reddit because of the recent drama. The biggest complaint new people have is about how complicated Masto and other fediverse services are to get into for people who aren’t tech savvy, between choosing different instances and figuring out how to use them. Meanwhile, Meta provides a familiar, convenient experience from a brand they already know, even with its horrible reputation. Then when 90% of “fediverse” users are on Threads instead of the rest of the fedi, they’ll announce that they are dropping support for ActivityPub and there will only be a few thousand people left elsewhere to mourn it.
I think it’s worth noting that many more of us are aware of EEE than in the past, and while meta is very well known, it’s also kind of infamous. While some services have brand loyalty, meta kind of has a mix of brand apathy or brand repulsiveness to a lot of people. I think the most loyalty you might find would be in people who purchase into the quest ecosystem, or are avid users of Instagram.
I think enough of us are aware of the circumstances that when Meta eventually does start taking steps towards the “extension” phase, they’re going to get called out immediately, and communities are going to better able to resist than in the past.
I would agree if they didn’t already shovel in 10 million people from instagram in the past few hours, and you cant leave without deleting your facebook and instagram accounts and everything you have invested in them. They gained in the past few hours more people than the entire Fediverse has gained over the course of several years.
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I see no way they aren’t a competitor. Meta is a company. Companies exists to make money. Meta makes money by driving engagement and then monitizing via ads or user data sale for others to target ads.
Like are we all supposed to pretend a company, Meta of all companies, is an altruistic entity? Because that’s not how it works… At all.
Remove corporations from social networks.
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if you believe meta is going to act in the best interest of the fediverse, and not try to fuck it over, then please kindly remove your head from your ass.
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This is true with Kbin and Lemmy, and Mastodon instances but Meta doesn’t have that mindset. They are going to have ads and are going to see users not on their instance as eyes that rightfully belong to them that are not set on those ads.
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Umm, what is EEE? TY!! I found this: https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/EEE, so I’m totally confused.
I understand all the fear around meta. However on federated platforms, is all competition not a good thing?
Also I have to imagine the overlap between the type of people currently on federated platforms, and those willing to use any platform made by meta is rather slim.
Also what do you think about the comparisons with XMPP?
Just curious to hear your thoughts
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when a large monopolistic company is trying to join the fediverse, its not because they want to play fair. They literally can not try and play fair, if their profits are not continually growing, then they are legally not representing the best interest of the shareholders. if you actually believe that meta joining the fediverse has an altruistic motive, or they they will not act in a way that benefits their shareholders(to kill any competition that takes any of their profit in any way), then you are probably not looking at the full story and need to consider if you are capable of thinking.
TLDR: Mastodon trying their damndest to rationalize taking the money.
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That’s not actually the tl;dr in my opinion, but others should decide for themselves.
Whats your source on “taking the money”, by the way?
Did they take any money? Genuinely asking, hadn’t heard they did…
If they did the contract would be under an NDA. No way for us to find that shit out - you just have to watch the enshittification happen as the early birds get paid.
Meta is public. A transaction like that could not be done in secret.
Meta is a publicly traded company - that doesn’t mean they have business arrangements the outside world doesn’t know about. They’re held to public reporting obligations and have a Board of Directors hand-picked by Zuck (since he still has the majority control of voting shares).
A transaction like that is done in secret all the time, each and every day.
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Cuck Zuck sure loves his sloppy seconds, picking up the half-eaten Twitter remains Musk’s been dropping.
I’m just rubbernecking here anyway—not really a microblogging fan—but I hope those that need to remain vigilant with respect to EEE do so. My dude Zuck made a losing bet on VR instead of LLM, but he still has the capital to do damage elsewhere. Let’s not forget this choice quote:
ChatGPT summary of the blog post:
Here is a summary of the blog:
- Threads are a way to organize conversations on Mastodon, a decentralized social network.
- Threads allow users to reply to specific posts and create branching discussions that are easy to follow and participate in.
- Threads can be public or private, depending on the visibility settings of the original post and the replies.
- Users can view threads by clicking on the reply icon of any post, or by using the “Show thread” option in the menu.
- Users can also join or leave threads by using the “Follow thread” or “Unfollow thread” options in the menu.
- Threads are a powerful feature that enhance the user experience and foster community engagement on Mastodon.
- Mastodon and Threads will likely be able to communicate with each other once Threads supports federation, but it will depend on the server operators’ choices. Mastodon users can always switch servers or self-host if they want more control.
- Threads will not be able to impose their moderation policies on other servers, and that each server will have its own rules and tools. Mastodon servers can block specific content from Threads if they want to.
- Mastodon welcomes the adoption of ActivityPub by large platforms, as it validates the decentralized social web and enables users to switch platforms more easily. This creates more competition and pressure for better services.
If I wanted an AI summary I’d have done it myself. I’m here to read comments from and talk to actual humans.
Stop that. This is helpful to nobody.
Any way you could consider not littering threads with shitty tldrs?
Ok, my bad. Blame ChatGPT for the shittyness though.
This isn’t reddit though dude.
People are here to learn and engage. You’re not contributing towards that goal and it sorta comes across as a cheap karma grab. Which I know I am not here for. Seems like many aren’t either.
I think we would all just prefer to hear your thoughts, opinions, and contributions to the discussion rather than doing what you’re doing.
Just my two cents.
Thank you for the reply and feedback, I’m not lost and know what site this is.
I think AI language models are dumb, but fascinating; I do not truly care about meaningless karma here since it doesn’t matter to me personally.
I’m very confident no one here wants to read the confounding stupidity of my opinion, so I will limit my replies to impactful comments henceforth.
Your two cents are really worth profoundly more, thank you.
That’s a pretty poor summary. It’s not all that much shorter than the blog post itself. Could you tell the AI to be much more concise?
XMPP did not exist on its own outside of nerd circles, while ActivityPub enjoys the support and brand recognition of Mastodon.
That’s either a really tasty self-irony or just delusional. I really hope no one thinks Mastodon is anything but a nerd circle.
Will a large platform like Meta joining Mastodon overwhelm smaller servers?
This could be interesting for Kbin, it’s true that Mastodon shouldn’t see an influx of Threads only content, but the Microblog for Kbin may be overwhelmed, since it’s followed by tag, at least how I’m using it, not user
Kbin tags work the same way. Every person you see in the microblog tag is directly followed by someone on Kbin.
I have purposely been going out and following interesting Mastodon accounts from Kbin to ensure that they’re being brought over into the Kbin feed and put into the proper magazines.
I’m still pretty much “wait and see” on this. A lot of folks are predicting gloom and doom, but also have a lot of good points. Meta shouldn’t be trusted in general, but they also haven’t done anything yet - they haven’t even implemented ActivityPub yet.
I think it’s more they’re trying to make a Twitter-killer then kill Mastodon from the inside. They want people on their site so they can show them ads, and they want to get those people from Twitter. ActivityPub integration is another feature they can use to get attention.
A company exists to make money - period. I struggle to see why Meta making money off ActivityPub is a good thing.
There’s just no good reason to have a profit motive in social media when it simply doesn’t need to be there.
There’s just no good reason to have a profit motive in social media when it simply doesn’t need to be there.
Exactly! In that regard, it’s like health care. The profit motive can only harm the public.
ActivityPub integration is another feature they can use to get attention.
See, that’s what I don’t understand. ActivityPub means nothing to the vast majority of potential Threads users. There’s no way that Meta is going to use ActivityPub to gain users; all they have to do is what they HAVE done, leverage Instagram. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they may be hoping that federation will allow them to get around the EU’s limitations.
But even that doesn’t really make sense. Zuck doesn’t really care that much about regulations. He breaks them all the time. Which leaves me with the question, why ActivityPub? What aren’t we seeing?
