Even animals patrol and defend their territory. Why should human be any different? If anything else, borders are an improvement over constant skirmishes and raids where two different ethnic groups meet.
EDIT: Interesting how you completely ignored the “Borders are a solution to constant ethnic clashes” part of my comment
Freedom good! Borders allow different systems or countries to exist so you have the FREEDOM to choose the one you like the most instead of there being only one option. Borders good!
I´ll assume you are just uninformed and not a hypocrite. Refugees get stuck, pushed back and even killed at borders all around the world when trying to choose the country they like the most. Borders bad!
Borders don’t have to be proven to be bad for the above “Borders are violence” to be true. But that doesn’t necessarily make them good either. Borders are pissing contests that result in wars, crime and ostracism. They also can help keep a national identity, a sense of stability and protection.
When a border conflict exists in the form of a line that separates us from them, it tends to highlight the pretty arbitrary and hurtful attributes of borders.
Interesting how you ignore the reality of constant ethnic clashes and raids inside the borders of many african nations and also across borders e.g. Armenia vs Azerbaijan, Kosovo vs Serbia, Russia vs Ukraine or… Palestine vs Israel.
The animals argument is bad. We are animals and the idea is to refrain of our bad instincts in favour of the greater good most of the time.
That being said abolition of borders is a very bad idea, a very basic visit of human history will squash any misplaced idealism regarding that subject.
That also being said immigration is most of the time a good idea as long as you put a consideratr effort into integration for your newly minted citizens.
Now I realize most of those are opinions without substance, the idea is to realize where people push back and why before backing them up.
The reason ethnic clashes are happening in the first place, is because there was not enough intermingling between neighbors, in big part because people like you thought humans aren’t smarter then animals and should be separated.
Humans aren’t smarter than animals because we are animals. We’re also not smarter than non-human animals either, as evidenced by our self-destructive behavior.
Comeone you are going around all “Hurr durr humans aren’t smarter than animals, we are so self-destructive” that’s an edgelord position if I’ve ever seen one
You know what I was typing up a whole argument about how the “if you are self-destrucive you are dumb and therefore an animal” logic is flawed but then I remembered I am on the internet and get to do this fun thing instead:
Borders are violence.
Borders areviolence.Religion is violence
Why not both?
good argument. Agreed
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Even animals patrol and defend their territory. Why should human be any different? If anything else, borders are an improvement over constant skirmishes and raids where two different ethnic groups meet.
EDIT: Interesting how you completely ignored the “Borders are a solution to constant ethnic clashes” part of my comment
Animals kill and eat their young. They roll or eat shit. They rape. You sure that’s the argument you want to use here?
That’s bad. But why are borders bad?
Freedom good! Borders restrict freedom. Borders bad!
Freedom good! Borders allow different systems or countries to exist so you have the FREEDOM to choose the one you like the most instead of there being only one option. Borders good!
I´ll assume you are just uninformed and not a hypocrite. Refugees get stuck, pushed back and even killed at borders all around the world when trying to choose the country they like the most. Borders bad!
Borders don’t have to be proven to be bad for the above “Borders are violence” to be true. But that doesn’t necessarily make them good either. Borders are pissing contests that result in wars, crime and ostracism. They also can help keep a national identity, a sense of stability and protection.
When a border conflict exists in the form of a line that separates us from them, it tends to highlight the pretty arbitrary and hurtful attributes of borders.
These comments read like a realism vs idealism debate
Interesting how you ignore the reality of constant ethnic clashes and raids inside the borders of many african nations and also across borders e.g. Armenia vs Azerbaijan, Kosovo vs Serbia, Russia vs Ukraine or… Palestine vs Israel.
“animals do it why shouldn’t we” is one of the worst reasons to do something. Animals are literally dumber than us.
You are an animal…
The animals argument is bad. We are animals and the idea is to refrain of our bad instincts in favour of the greater good most of the time.
That being said abolition of borders is a very bad idea, a very basic visit of human history will squash any misplaced idealism regarding that subject.
That also being said immigration is most of the time a good idea as long as you put a consideratr effort into integration for your newly minted citizens.
Now I realize most of those are opinions without substance, the idea is to realize where people push back and why before backing them up.
What makes you think we should act just like wild animals?
The reason ethnic clashes are happening in the first place, is because there was not enough intermingling between neighbors, in big part because people like you thought humans aren’t smarter then animals and should be separated.
Humans aren’t smarter than animals because we are animals. We’re also not smarter than non-human animals either, as evidenced by our self-destructive behavior.
Easy now dont cut yourself on the edge you’ve got there bucko
Are you a bot, or just really dumb? That phrase doesn’t even apply…
Comeone you are going around all “Hurr durr humans aren’t smarter than animals, we are so self-destructive” that’s an edgelord position if I’ve ever seen one
Got it, it was the second option.
You know what I was typing up a whole argument about how the “if you are self-destrucive you are dumb and therefore an animal” logic is flawed but then I remembered I am on the internet and get to do this fun thing instead:
No U
The animals argument is fucking stupid.
How exactly are borders helping? In what was specifically?