• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    24 days ago

    still ignoring all these textbooks

    In that link you say a textbook I quoted is wrong.

    Here, above, I linked two images. They show += became + and nothing else changed.

    How brackets work is notation. Some notations don’t have brackets, at all. For example: the grocery-store calculators so common you insist they’re called “standard,” and RPN, which you’d apparently never heard of until I told you last year. Because you’re lying about being a teacher.

    • In that link you say a textbook I quoted is wrong

      The link takes me to the index, so as I already said, WHERE does it say I’m wrong? You can’t even tell me! Linking a random textbook doesn’t prove anything 😂

      I linked two images

      When I click on your link there is one image. 🙄 Why didn’t you just paste them in like any sane person

      How brackets work is notation.

      Nope, rules. How you write the brackets is notation. Good on you for proving you don’t know the difference

      RPN, which you’d apparently never heard of until I told you last year

      What a load of rubbish! 🤣🤣🤣

      Because you’re lying about being a teacher

      says the proven liar, who has lied about what textbooks say, and how calculators work 🙄

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        Linking a random textbook doesn’t prove anything

        Oh.

        Oh you’re actually illiterate.

        Nothing else would explain how you can’t figure out plain English text quoting the textbook and specifying the page number.

        In light of that disability, I can almost forgive the stupidity of insisting brackets aren’t just notation, when some notations don’t have brackets, period. RPN has a stack, which algebraic notation does not. Grocery-store calculators have neither.

        • Oh you’re actually illiterate

          No, I just don’t know which part of the book supposedly proves me wrong, and since you can’t tell me which part does so, I’ll take it that none of it does 🙄

          Nothing else would explain how you can’t figure out plain English text quoting the textbook

          Says person who thinks “means” means “identically equal” 🤣🤣🤣

          specifying the page number

          The link didn’t specify a page number. I already told you it opened up at the index. Your supposed link to 2 images only linked to one image also. you seem to have an issue with making links 🙄

          In light of that disability

          Your disability with making links that work?

          I can almost forgive the stupidity of insisting brackets aren’t just notation

          says the person actually insisting that they aren’t just notation 😂

          don’t have brackets, period

          As was the way in Maths for the many centuries preceding the use of brackets in Maths, such as 2+3x4=14 🙄

          RPN has a stack

          And each paired operation on the stack is treated as though in brackets and evaluated before anything else, as per the order of operations rules 🙄

          which algebraic notation does not

          Right, it has explicit brackets

          Grocery-store calculators have neither

          They have a stack

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            24 days ago

            If I say it’s on page 27, do you understand which page I’m quoting, that specifically says you’re full of shit? Because I did, and you are.

            They have a stack

            They do not. Four-function calculators have an accumulator.

            RPN still does not have brackets. It hasn’t magically sprouted them since I had to introduce you to the concept, an entire year ago. Computers mostly reduce bracketed notation to RPN… not the other way around. There is no need for brackets of any sort, explicit or implicit, when using a stack and an accumulator. 2 2 3 + / doesn’t need anything “treated as though in brackets” unless you’re trying to explain it to a child who stubbornly insists there is only one way to do math and yes-huh there must be brackets somehow.

            • They do not

              says person who is unable to provide any evidence of such 🙄 guess what happens when you press the +/= followed by an x, it evaluates it and puts it on the stack 🙄

              Four-function calculators have an accumulator

              OMG. same same - it’s a one value stack 🤣🤣🤣

              RPN still does not have brackets

              In the foreground. They are still being added in the background

              It hasn’t magically sprouted them since I had to introduce you to the concept

              Which you didn’t, and they’ve always been there, just like the unwritten + sign in 3-2

              Computers mostly reduce bracketed notation to RPN

              No they don’t. They use the stack when parsing the expression, represented on paper with a binary tree

              2 2 3 + / doesn’t need anything “treated as though in brackets”

              Yes it does. It treats it as (2+3)/2 🙄

              unless you’re trying to explain it to a child who stubbornly insists there is only one way to do math

              So you’re admitting to being a child. That explains a lot 🤣🤣🤣

              yes-huh there must be brackets somehow

              Yep, now you’re getting it! 😂

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                24 days ago

                It treats it as (2+3)/2

                It treats it as 2 2 3 + /. Push push push pop pop. There is no “background.” These are hardware functions.

                Do you think Spanish speakers secretly think in English? I don’t believe you understand there are multiple ways to do things. As if binary multiplication must be doing decimal multiplication “behind the scenes.”

                it’s a one value stack

                That’s not how a fucking stack works.

                • It treats it as 2 2 3 + /.

                  Yep, it treats it as (2+3)/2, unless you’re saying it gets a different answer to that?? 🤣🤣🤣

                  Push push push pop pop

                  oh, look what came out of those first pops, 2+3, the part that is implicitly in brackets 😂

                  There is no “background.”

                  So you are saying it gets a different answer to (2+3)/2?? 🤣🤣🤣

                  These are hardware functions

                  And software controls what is happening with the hardware. pop is a software command to the hardware. I teach Computer Science as well 😂

                  I don’t believe you understand there are multiple ways to do things

                  says person who doesn’t understand that there is only one set of order of operations rules 🙄

                  As if binary multiplication must be doing decimal multiplication “behind the scenes.”

                  Other way around dude

                  That’s not how a fucking stack works

                  It is when you can only store one thing on it! 😂 I’ll take that as an admission you were wrong all along then

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                    24 days ago

                    Did you know Russian has no indefinite articles? They’re not implicit. They’re just not there. It’s why stereotypical moose-and-squirrel impressions say things like “have nice day.”

                    In exactly the same way, RPN doesn’t have implicit brackets, because it does not need brackets, period. It can equivalently express the operations of an algebraic equation which has brackets, but that doesn’t mean it has or uses or needs or implies those brackets. They’re just not there. Getting the right answer does not require secret translation to the one notation you understand.

                    How would you treat someone who insists brackets don’t exist, because they’re only implicitly representing a stack? Like, you can write (2+3)/2, but that’s only doing 2 2 3 + /. Obviously brackets aren’t real.