• drkt@feddit.dk
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    The internet used to be free before corporations got here.

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      It was never free. It was paid for and used by universities and research institutions. There was no world wide web, just gopher, ftp, usenet, chat, telnet. Any kind of advertising was really frowned upon, it was basically treated like a library. But, there wasn’t a lot to do there.

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      How are they supposed to pay for the infrastructure that you’re using to watch it. Do you even have a clue what it costs to run YouTube for a month? The ads keep the servers up. BTW it’s in the tens of millions a month if not more to run YouTube.

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        No one has a clue what it ‘costs’ because YT isn’t honest about revenue, and being a subsidiary its P&L statements can be adjusted to spread any narrative around profitability it considers useful. In the context of Alphabet its operating cost is probably negligible.

        You’re already paying them data tribute through daily interaction with much of the corporate web.

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        I literally don’t have a job and host a website with 249971 requests served april-october. This shit isn’t expensive, google makes it expensive. Before YouTube we just had other websites with videos.

        e: I got it wrong, it’s 525154 (valid) requests april-october with 85340 unique IPs after filtering my own.

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          Requests cost nothing, data storage and bandwidth usage do.

          People upload over 500 hours of videos every minute, that’s 256.320.000hours each year. Let’s say that most of it is lower quality instead of 4K, so each hour takes 0.5GB of storage. That’s 128PB every year. Youtube overall size probably reached Exabytes in the last few years.

          Their daily bandwidth usage probably ranges way into Petabytes too, something you were orders of magnitude away over the whole life cycle of your site.

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            Literally everyone is not listening to what I’m saying so I’ll just say it here again as clear as I can:

            YouTube costs money because infrastructure costs are exponential. It doesn’t have to be that way. Host your own shit, it’s so unbelievably cheap.

            I have my own live-streaming infrastructure. I have my own music streaming infrastructure. I have my own video sync infrastructure that so far has not even stuttered for people on the other side of the globe even with 30+ people watching at once. This costs jack shit to do. Spread it out. Host your own.

            This is of course ignoring that corporate executive pay is insane and you could definitely cut that in half, but we don’t. We pass the costs of the fifth execute yacht to the consumers, and here we have like 5 people defending that structure as if it just has to be that way. It doesn’t. It wasn’t like that before Google started owning everything.

            And yes, for the record, I am not using YouTube. YouTube currently barely works on my browser so I just don’t use it.

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              And if you were streaming the volume of videos they are, your costs would be astronomical too. Your argument is completely senseless.

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                What he’s saying is there are alternative methods that cost less, theres a few youtube competitors that use p2p for instance, which’d cut down on hosting costs SIGNIFICANTLY

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                  And you are still missing what I am saying. I don’t care if it’s P2P or not. If he is personally sending out TB’s of data from his server everyday, being P2P means nothing. If TB’s of data are leaving his server, then he will have an exponential cost growth to be able to send TB’s of data. You’re not making an apples to apples comparison. Sending TB’s of data a month, let alone a day has an enormous cost to it. There is no avoiding that.

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                    And he is arguing they are eating costs they dont have to eat, that they are CHOOSING to eat

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          Do you know the enormous amount of data it takes to stream video? And how much infrastructure to have such seamless loading as youtube does, caching copies of popular videos all across the world?

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      There used to be a free youtube before google? Someone has to volunteer to pay for the site servers unless you pay them my ignorant bro. Youre always free to stop using the evil corporation sites but you want their stuff for free instead and complain about it. Get a grip

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          Youre the one begging them for free content here, stuff costs money get a job bum

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              No youtube for you then, being disabled doesnt mean the universe owns you free videos and you can insult others for reminding you that stuff costs money

              Edit money not even required just watch ads, the entitlement jesus

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                  says the guy who insults me because he thinks universe owns him free videos for getting him disabled and insults you over it

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                  Yeah bro just wanted to hear it, u cant help it with some people. " aakshually i cant walk no job for me so give me youtube" then u get called unpleasant for not agreeing

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            I literally don’t have a job and host a website with 249971 requests served april-october. This shit isn’t expensive, google makes it expensive. Before YouTube we just had other websites with videos.

            e: I got it wrong, it’s 525154 (valid) requests april-october with 85340 unique IPs after filtering my own.

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              “Videos always existed on internet” People upload 500 hours of video to youtube per minute how simpleminded are you Jesus Christ

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                Because it’s the video platform, King.

                By your logic, my website shouldn’t exist because it’s too expensive. By your logic, videos didn’t exist before YouTube. You are at odds with reality.

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                  Wow your reading comprehension is astounding, ill try to use as few words as possible, more videos = more money needed to host them

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                    Who was it that told you YouTube was so expensive to run? Google? I couldn’t imagine why the company, with a vested interest in making you think ads are essential, would tell you that YouTube is like super duper totally expensive.

                    Please explain to me how it is that my website, despite serving lossless music and video streaming and a photogallery, doesn’t actually cost me anything except the electric bill which is so negligible that I don’t even bother considering it in my low-income no-job budget. I would love to hear why this isn’t possible.

                    I, too, remember the days before YouTube where videos literally did not exist on the internet! So innovative of Google, inventing video hosting.