You’re assuming “the public” has reached a uniform consensus, which it certainly hasn’t.
Your argument is like a politician saying “people love me, they say I’m the best.” It’s an appeal to an abstract entity as a placeholder for your own opinion.
Even if you had data backing up your claim, that would still be an appeal to popularity, which is a logical fallacy.
I didn’t say it does. Language is not prescriptive. I’m just wondering if this is as much a scam as Flat Earth. Insofar that I doubt the sincerity of people saying that, but I realise that might just be because I’m biased for some reason.
I just have never heard anyone saying “jif” and hearing it makes me think of a semi-computer-illiterate boomer who’s reading a file-ending aloud to their nephew while never having heard anyone say it out loud.
Again, I realise that’s probably not true, but it’s the mental image I get.
That’s funny, because pronouncing it with a hard g sounds just as silly to me.
And it’s nothing like flat earth. The earth’s shape is a matter of science and empiricism; there’s a wealth of evidence confirming that it’s spherical, and nothing credible suggests otherwise. Flat earther arguments are completely disingenuous; it even started as irony and anyone who believed it has serious defects. Even Aristotle knew the earth was round by the way a ship’s mast appears on the horizon before the hull.
Pronunciation isn’t a matter of empiricism. All language is a social construct. It wouldn’t make sense for Brits and americans to argue over who pronounces a word the “correct” way. Even in america, people won’t agree on words like “pecan” or “crayon.”
But for some reason anyone who pronounces gif with a hard g has this really arrogant attitude towards anyone who pronounces it with a soft g. It’s really weird.
I think you’re proving my point, tbh. You didn’t properly read my comment and you’re going on about “empiricism of language”, which means you don’t understand the terms “prescriptive” / “descriptive”.
No, I definitely read your comment, but it seems like you didn’t properly read mine. I specifically said that empiricism doesn’t apply to language, as a counter to your argument that pronouncing it “jif” is comparable to being a flat earther.
I understand prescriptive vs. descriptive just fine, but you’re the one making a prescriptive argument for something that’s categorically descriptive. You’re just so confused that you’re projecting that onto me.
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You’re assuming “the public” has reached a uniform consensus, which it certainly hasn’t.
Your argument is like a politician saying “people love me, they say I’m the best.” It’s an appeal to an abstract entity as a placeholder for your own opinion.
Even if you had data backing up your claim, that would still be an appeal to popularity, which is a logical fallacy.
I have literally never heard someone say “jif” outside of an online post claiming people do.
I’ve always pronounced it jif. Just because you’re ignorant of the other side doesn’t mean your side is right
I didn’t say it does. Language is not prescriptive. I’m just wondering if this is as much a scam as Flat Earth. Insofar that I doubt the sincerity of people saying that, but I realise that might just be because I’m biased for some reason.
I just have never heard anyone saying “jif” and hearing it makes me think of a semi-computer-illiterate boomer who’s reading a file-ending aloud to their nephew while never having heard anyone say it out loud.
Again, I realise that’s probably not true, but it’s the mental image I get.
That’s funny, because pronouncing it with a hard g sounds just as silly to me.
And it’s nothing like flat earth. The earth’s shape is a matter of science and empiricism; there’s a wealth of evidence confirming that it’s spherical, and nothing credible suggests otherwise. Flat earther arguments are completely disingenuous; it even started as irony and anyone who believed it has serious defects. Even Aristotle knew the earth was round by the way a ship’s mast appears on the horizon before the hull.
Pronunciation isn’t a matter of empiricism. All language is a social construct. It wouldn’t make sense for Brits and americans to argue over who pronounces a word the “correct” way. Even in america, people won’t agree on words like “pecan” or “crayon.”
But for some reason anyone who pronounces gif with a hard g has this really arrogant attitude towards anyone who pronounces it with a soft g. It’s really weird.
If people actually read the comments they reply to ffs
Also the difference you’re trying to explain is called prescriptivism vs descriptivism
I think you’re proving my point, but go off
I think you’re proving my point, tbh. You didn’t properly read my comment and you’re going on about “empiricism of language”, which means you don’t understand the terms “prescriptive” / “descriptive”.
No, I definitely read your comment, but it seems like you didn’t properly read mine. I specifically said that empiricism doesn’t apply to language, as a counter to your argument that pronouncing it “jif” is comparable to being a flat earther.
I understand prescriptive vs. descriptive just fine, but you’re the one making a prescriptive argument for something that’s categorically descriptive. You’re just so confused that you’re projecting that onto me.
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whatever you need to tell yourself Just take the L (which you probably pronounce as Û) and go back to bed.
Dictionaries are correct, you’re not. 💪😘