Hi Selfhosted,
I am looking for the best solution to replace spotify for at home and out of the house music.
I already have a large music library and run moOde for multiroom audio and use spotify connect to cast to it.
Is my best option to set up an MPD server and wireguard vpn to use it on the go? Are there other options? What would you recommend?
Plex w/ plexamp Jellyfin w/finamp
Thats what I would go with but theres tons of options here as well
https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted#media-streaming---audio-streaming
Very gold alternative for plexamp is symphonium
I agree. The client fills the gaps of the server side recommendations and filters, but the lack of desktop equivalent is why I don’t use it full time
That is true, on PC i still use Plexamp aswell
I have a jellyfin server running already so I will give that a go. Thanks
There are some great designs ready for redesign of Finamp to make it much more modern, but development is fairly slow with limited resources. I think it’s currently in closed testing though.
There’s also Manet, a jellyfin music app for iPhone/iPad
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My entire media library is sitting on a NAS, fed to me through a Plex instance in docker. Works great
Plexamp is pretty great. Plex was functional when it came to music but plexamp’s features and ui really makes it feel like my own spotify
I tried it very briefly, when it still brand new, because the regular client didn’t support replaygain. Found the UI/UX quite complicated, because of the super minified controls. Has anything changed in terms of that?
Plexamp was launched twice, first as a Plex Labs desktop-only app, then completely overhauled as a cross-platform app with 'droid and iOS releases.
It has changed a lot since, the UX is much smoother now, with tons of new settings + features implemented. There’s no other selfhosted solution that comes close IMO
UI is still a bit complicated. Plex uses its own implementation called loudness leveling rather than replaygain. I’ve found it to be just as good for the most part.
Love plexamp, hate the way plex forces album-centric metadata.
Same but Jellyfin. I don’t keep anything outside of shit that’s not easily streamable on demand.
Yeah, it’s mostly videogame music and J-metal.
People will recommend Navidrome- but if you’re like me then your music collection is organized by folders and not metadata. Navidrome does not and will never (developer said as much) support folder-based browsing.
I recommend using Gonic https://github.com/sentriz/gonic and then a compatible Subsonic client. Gonic has been the simplest and smoothest out-of-house music streaming experience for me.
I’ve not heard of gonic before. Why choose it over, say, Airsonic or one of the other Subsonic forks?
It’s “just” as server, doesn’t rely on Java and has seen a release this decade.
Yeah, OK, those are all appealing qualities
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Dealing with Metadata has been such a pain and it rarely works properly lol
Try out beets if you ever want to fix it. It’s a pain to setup the first time (make backups for sure) but once you do, it’s easy to maintain.
Yeah. Navidrome fucks up your experience. If your id tags are not 100℅ that is.
Folder based music server is the way to go.
Gonic is really too bareboned and really is for low power devices. The better alternative would be Polaris which has a better web interface.
If you have modern hardware (celeron +), Airsonic is the best IMO.
I use gonic with sonixd on my laptops, but probably might move to supersonic from sonixd.
On my phone, Tempo is really awesome!
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I think you’re on the right track with Wireguard.
I’m also running Jellyfin, but mostly Navidrome for music. I’ve been pretty satisfied with the latter.
Consuming music outside the house has been a significant issue. I mostly tried to go the offline route: download some music to play while you’re out of the house … and on Android the experience has been overall very poor. My least worst experience was with Substreamer as a client, but still not anywhere near good.
Where I’m at today is with always-on VPN through Wireguard and the experience is significantly better than any other solution I’ve tried before.
It’s been years I haven’t played with
mpd, so I can’t comment on that.Navidrome with Substreamer on mobile for auto-generated recommendations based on already played music works great for me.
+1 for navidrome.
I’m also using that and have it exposed to the web using a cloudflare tunnel. What I didn’t like in the beginning but really appreciate now is that the service itself doesn’t have a lot of permissions and cannot delete files or change their metadata. I’m hosting it in a docker container and everything except the config file is mounted read-only.
I’m not sure how relevant that is but it gives me more peace of mind exposing it publicly.
Thay sounds potentially better than having to vpn in to use it.
How are you liking navidrome?
Navidrome replaced Spotify for me, with Symfonium on Android, I’m never going back. On PC you can use any Subsonic client, and there are plenty I threw Tailscale on top to access it when I go out.
Performance is good and streaming works well. Not a fan of the webinterface personally but there are client programs available for all platforms since navidrome exposes the subsonic api.
Personally I use sonix on windows and linux as well as symfonium (paid but really great app) on android.
The only thing I am missing from it is better user management so that I can restrict specific users from accessing parts of my library.
Regarding access from outside my network I specifically wanted to avoid needing to be connected to a VPN so that’s why I use a cloudflare tunnel. Since my upload rate is not very good I have a Pi-Hole DNS server at home so that queries to my domain while in the home network don’t need to leave my network.
Thank you for the info. Sounds like I’ve got a fair bit to look in to. 👍
Not OP, but I also use Navidrome, hosted as a docker container on Synology NAS with reverse proxy for streaming outside the house. Have found the Symfonium app (paid) to be a great replacement for Spotify.
Seconding Synphonium, it’s surprisingly good and gets updates very regularly.
Navidrome sounds interesting, I haven’t heard over of it before.
Wouodbyou recmkend it over jellyfin?
It is also very resource efficient. I am running it on a Raspberry Pi 2 and it works flawlessly.
Plex server streaming to Plexamp here. Currently handling around 50k tracks all stored on my NAS no problem. Soundiiz supports Plex, so converting Spotify playlists over to Plex is pretty straight forward, provided you have the songs.
- Plex pulls down it’s own metadata, so if you’re a tagging freak like me, you’ll have to check the “Prefer local metadata” on your Plex server.
- Smart playlists are a little cumbersome. They’re actually saved filtered searches. Not intuitive at all.
- No HiRes - if that’s your thing. (on iOS, not sure about Android)
- Plexamp has a separate EQ for each bluetooth device on iOS, but it can’t differentiate between wired headphones using an adapter.
- It does save music or playlists to the device for offline playback, but they’re captured within Plexamp. You can’t play those offline tracks in any other app (might be possible in Andorid, but the filenames will be random and idk about metadata). I have not run into an offline download limit, like in the old days.
I use plexamp too with a large library so I can comment on the android side (I didn’t know some of these differences existed)
- the app has settings for audio quality dependent on connection type, including not converting hires audio
- as far as I can tell the EQ in plexamp is global across devices, though it has presets for specific devices -same on Android I don’t think you can manually listen to downloaded songs outside of the app
I’ll also comment that I sort all my music by folder and Plex does ok with this Not great, but it works
The best part is the TIDAL integration IMO. You can have both local tracks and streamed tracks without having to deal with downloads. Best of both worlds.
I forgot about TIDAL integration, since I’m not a subscriber. I only subscribe to Spotify for the family account. My three teenagers and my wife would all mutiny if I stopped paying for Spotify. I just now convinced them that Plex is stable enough to use for video. Small victories.
I hate plex’s interface for music.
My holy grail is winamps 3 pane + dynamic playlist or if you’re into foobar2000, the facets view.
I also hate how plex wants you to store your music. Not all music can be fit into the artist/album directory structure, like wtf do I do with most of my record rips. They are part of releases, not albums you dumb dumbs.
Dont know about the multiroom thing but Navidrome is pretty solid
It definitely has to be Jellyfin (server) + Finamp (client) + tailscale (mesh VPN)
Symphonium is another good mobile client.
On iOS there’s also Fintunes & Manet Music.
A little prettier but not as feature rich.
I’m using S2 on Android to use Jellyfin as media source. Really great player. I’ve bought the full version, definitely worth it.
Been using Plexamp for a little over a month by myself only complaint is meta data is sometimes not the best but that might be my choice of music as well. Also still missing some features I would like to see.
I’m running roon. It’s expensive but self hosted, and has an excellent set of features around a library that seamlessly blends locally stored content with cloud content from either qobuz or tidal. It is great for discovery because I can click into the performers/composers of a track/album and see their other work. Or view a composition itself and see other artists who have performed it.
I wouldn’t say it’s for everyone but it’s been a good fit for me.
Oof, you weren’t kidding about the price. Seems like a pretty solid piece of software though.
I was using Plexamp for a while but now I’ve mostly converted my library to OPUS so I can fit it all on my phone. I have a script to automatically copy the directory structure/artwork and convert from my main FLAC library, and keep it in sync with my phone using syncthing. I use Musicolet for playback. If your library is bigger or you don’t have much free space then this is of course not an option, but it works for me.
Anyone here experiment with Funkwhale? Wondering if it’s a practical choice to make a personal library available in a personal cloud.
Another very fast and folder based system would be mStream: https://mstream.io/
It works very well, also good mobile apps (Android + iOS)
Thank you, I’ve not heard of that one. Time to have a read…
Navidrome over wireguard, and music library in folders and proper tagging trough beets and picard. using subsonic as a client for it. tried plex and plexamp but I’m moving away from them.
