I prefer good faith discussions please. I love the Fediverse and love what it can be long term. The problem is that parts of the culture want nothing to do with financial aspect. Many are opposed to ads, memberships, sponsorships etc The āsmall instancesā response does nothing to positively contribute to the conversation. There are already massive instances and not everyone wants to self host. People are concerned with larger companies coming to the Fedi but these beliefs will drive everyday users to those instances. People donāt like feeling disposable and when you hamstring admins who then ultimately shut down their instances thatās exactly how people end up feeling. There has to be an ethical way of going about this. So many people were too hard just to be told ātoo badā āsmall instancesā I donāt want to end up with a Fediverse ran by corporations because they can provide stability.
I donate, and Iāll donate again, and as far as I know it is covering costs. I believe the person who runs this instance (Jonah) does so because he wants to, and if he should ever decide to close it, then I think he should, if it stops bringing him joy and fulfillment.
I feel like you are devaluing the fediverse by reducing it to monetary value. Simply put: If we are talking about bringing in corporate sponsors and ads, then speaking for myself, not only would I no longer donate, but I would no longer feel connected in any way to this platform.
There are plenty of other forums that arenāt federated but are sustained by people because they want to, not because of monetary gain.
Just look how monetization has leeched the soul out of things like podcasts and YouTube (Iād say reddit, but reddit was never good to begin with). Do you really want that here? I know I donāt. Iād rather see it end than become another site like that.
What is your definition of ācovering costsā? If the person running the instance goes to say "I actually enjoy this so much that I want to make my full-time job. My salary as whatever is $150k/year, so to this full-time I need to make at least that much. "
Do you think that the admin is being fair? Are you going to continue donating? Is the amount of your donation contingent on how much they are getting in total?
Where did I say corporate sponsors and ads? Please state where I said that. Itās obnoxious how often people state something incorrectly particularly when the original post wasnāt ambiguous. I feel that YOU and others are devaluing the Fediverse by poo pooing over peopleās hard work and time. A thank you simply isnāt enough. If im wrong for valuing people thatās a hill Iām willing to die on.
You seem to be a victim of the disease called capitalistus brainrottus. I already said I donate, but I wouldnāt even consider that to be as much a show of gratitude as someone who doesnāt donate as much but contributes more content.
I was a Skyrim mod author and you pearl clutchers were always preaching doom and gloom there too, but fortunately there you failed while those who contributed freely and openly thrived. You who canāt conceive of value beyond mere currency, where everything you do is transactional. I feel sorry for you.
Imaging doing something because you like doing it. Unthinkable!
So thank you for your contributions to Skyrim then and to the fediverse now!
You said you want good faith discussions, but you preemptively dismissed one of the biggest answers because you donāt think itās a good solution. Then you have people here disagreeing with you, explaining why, and pointing to examples of it being done successfully, and you continue to completely dismiss a donation as nothing more than a āthank youā - how is this in any way a good faith discussion if any opposing viewpoint is immediately met with this kind of āYOUāRE the problemā response?
I do understand your frustration in those cases in which donations fail, but it seems like youāre not willing to meet us halfway and acknowledge that sometimes, donations succeed, and not by accident or luck. Thereās data there - test cases we could be picking apart and seeing what critical mass needs to be reached before an instance can reliably secure donations and what we can do for admins until their instances reach that threshold. But youāre just dismissing it as nonviable even though it clearly works for a lot of places.
That is not good faith.
Itās not good faith to point to a donations working and saying thatās why it should remain that way. Itās not good faith when people are disagreeing with me yet participate in capitalism daily. Iām not talking about the important needs, we canāt escape that. Iām talking about leisure: vacations, video games, etc People here do those optional activities yet itās some sort of sin to say letās explore options to keep this place running and compensate the people that makes this all work